Names For OTL In ATLs

Based upon this thread here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=81089

Give a name for our TL from the point of view of an ATL. Use the form below:

From:
Initial WI:
POD:
TL Name:

Example:

From: Cold War Still On TL
Initial WI: How Could The Soviets Collapse by 1993?
POD: Gorby becomes Soviet premier
TL Name: Unipolar World

This TL starts out reasonably well, even managing to explain away the Soviets not using massive force to prevent the collapse of their country and the Warsaw Pact through economic and social pressures fairly well, but once it gets to 2002, it becomes a GOP-bashing timeline.
 
From: ACW becomes a World War
Initial WI: What if the Civil war managed to remain an American affair?
POD: No Trent Affair
TL Name: A More Peaceful Republic

The TL continues as the other, however, with the Union victory at Antietam and a peaceful resolution to the Trent affair, things grow increasingly better for the North. The CSA did not garner British or French alliance and recognition (nor did the US go after Russian and Prussian alliance, thus the Great War did not happen at this point). The war eventually ends in 1865, with most fighting having stopped by 1864. In this timeline, rather than living and overseeing the peaceful Reconstruction of the South and the struggle for Negro equality before his retirement with Mary to California, Lincoln is assasinated in 1865 and the struggle for Negro equality stagnates before booming again in the 1950's and 1960's. There is eventually a world war from 1914 to 1918, with the US joining Britain and France against Germany. Then Russia goes Communist, there is an economic Depression followed by another world war against a reactionary rightwing ideology known as "Fascism". The Republicans become Conservative and the Democrats become Liberal. Politics in the US drift left and right, and a Democratic black man is elected in 2009 (rather than President Martin Luther King in 1985)
 

Baskilisk

Banned
From: United States of North America get their independance
Initial WI: What if Washington survived Valle Forge?
POD: Washington doesn't get shot in the liver in 1761
TL Name: Spawn of Britannia

Basically General George Washington doesn't die from lead poisoning (from an Indian bullet) when he is in poor health at Valley Forge. The USNA does better in the war, eventually capturing Philadelphia and gaining French support. Then a bunch of ASB stuff happens - basically a North American wank.
 

Thande

Donor
From: Cromwell's Commonwealth continues after his death
Initial WI: What if Richard Cromwell had been named Lord Protector?
POD: Richard doesn't die in the collapsing staircase accident
TL Name: The Once and Future King

Considered to be a wish-fulfilment fantasy both for Greater Virginian regionalists and practitioners of Mogul-style misbelief, in which England is betrayed by the architects of her liberation and the crypto-papist Stuarts are returned to the throne. However this proved so controversial that this element was hastily dropped with the 1689 update and a Dutch king brought in as a compromise. Idealist fantasies of the republican system are implemented in the rebellious colonies as they hold true to the spirit of the revolution, yet implausibly also embrace the Mogul system and permit Papism and its lickspittle imitators. Its hardcore fans consider it to have jumped the shark after the epic war segment in the 1940s, with the always much-criticised element of religious pluralism in the independent colonies being hastily retconned away.
 
From: America loses the ARW
Initial WI: WI the Rebels win the American Rebellion?
POD: Americans win the battle of Saratoga
TL Name: The World Turned Upside Down.

A timeline that is either highly praised or deeply scorned by most people. The main POD is the American Rebels winning a few important battles through sheer dumb luck and then gaining the support of France and Spain, making the rebellion too expensive for Britain to continue. From there, the "USA" gains almost unheard of amounts of luck, eventually becoming the sole superpower in a world without empires, which has made many cry this TL is EVB and the USA is a Republic of Maggie Lou. Also contested is the huge amount of luck the British recieve despite losing their American colonies, and the "evil" archetypes for Germany and Russia.
 
From: Famous People in Alternate Realities
Initial WI: Collabrative TL where people put famous figures in alternate roles
POD: No real one, though the non-existance of Atlantis might count
TL Name: Famous People in Alternate Realities

Has been accused of drifting into ASB territory, including such random stuff as:

No Atlantis

Scotland is still part of the UK

Arabia is ruled by a native dynasty, rather than the Spaniards

California and the CSA are still part of the USA, as is Hawaii

The president of the USA isn't Bill Richardson, but the obscure Mayor of Honolulu, while the opposition ticket consisted of a famous admiral and a porn star

One of the most beloved presidents in American history is the leader of some terrorist cell in Afganistan

And so on
 
From: Spartans at Thermopylae
Initial WI: What if Xerxes knew about the pass?
POD: Persians withdraw after 2nd day
TL Name: From the Jaws of Victory: Xerxes at Thermopylae

A Greek switches sides and informs Xerxes of a nearby pass through the mountains which would allow him to flank the defending Spartan and Athenian armies. Xerxes doesn't withdraw, but instead renews the fight on the third day. The Greeks are destroyed, Athens is burned, and Leonidas dies before he can unify Greece.

When Philip of Sparta hands over the throne to his son Alexander a century later, instead of leading armies west and wiping out the fledgling Rome; the young man goes east and conquers Persia, setting up a city on the coast of Egypt which becomes a sort of "Riyadh" (OOC: read- Mecca) of science and culture. He names the city after himself, marches all the way to India, but his armies mutiny and he dies of fever:eek:(!):eek: in what is now the People's Republic of Mesopotamia.

Instead of flourishing, Democracy goes on life support for several centuries until it is revived in the 1600-1700s. Rome, of all places, becomes the largest empire in the world, but after its collapse all knowledge of the Classical World is lost for centuries.
 
From:Roman Empire Survives TL
Initial WI:What if Emperor Lucius Verus had died of his illness?
POD:Lucius Verus survives and lives to be 79, adopting a genius emperor who tolerates Christianity, and patronizes scientists that invent vaccination preventing the massive smallpox epidemic that devestated Rome
TL Name:Barbarians Triumphant

Criticized for excessive ASBishness. For example had barbarians build empires that would eventually rival in Rome size and had them discover all the advanced technologies.
 
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From:Roman Empire Survives TL
Initial WI:What if Emperor Lucius Verus had survived his illness?
POD:Lucius Verus survives and lives to be 79, adopting a genius emperor who tolerates Christianity, and patronizes scientists that invent vaccination preventing the massive smallpox epidemic that devestated Rome
TL Name:Barbarians Triumphant

Criticized for excessive ASBishness. For example had barbarians build empires that would eventually rival in Rome size and had them discover all the advanced technologies.

You might want to note that Romans only called the German tribes barbarians because they followed a different form of Christianity and were against Roman control. They were perfectly as advanced as the Romans, just not as powerful.

Also, ancient Rome had smallpox vaccines? :confused:
 
You might want to note that Romans only called the German tribes barbarians because they followed a different form of Christianity and were against Roman control. They were perfectly as advanced as the Romans, just not as powerful.

Also, ancient Rome had smallpox vaccines? :confused:

Well the "barbarians" had no for example writing or cities.

And I said the POD WAS why Romans invented smallpox vaccines.
 
ASB's...

From: A timeline where the Central Powers won the Great War
Initial WI: What if the boys came home by Christmas
POD: Fire in Washington DC
TL Name: Versailes

This is one of the many "What if the Entente won the Great War" timelines. It starts off with the tragic fire in the White House in October 1913 being extinguished without any damage done, so President Wilson and a host of other American leaders don't die...we have President Wilson, noted anglophile, as president . That's plausible...but it spirals out of control. The French winning the battle of the Marne, using taxi's of all things, to get the troops into place. Plausible...but from there, it goes off into absurdities. "Unrestricted Submarine Warfare" is likely the bigest of them--a logical reaction to Wilson's blatantly un-neutral behavoir. Could anyone imagine the Americans being so blatantly biased as to allow Britian to blockade neutral nations..and then end up declareing war on Germany due to Germany's reactions and British propaganda. It continues with total defeat for Germany, uncivilized peace terms, a so-called "Communist" Russia that in no way adhers to the principles of Communism. Then, there's Germany's miraculous return from the dead, with a leader that's at first brilliant, then later, unbelievably stupid, a feudal system and unbelievable brutality...and total defeat for Germany again. And this war involves almost every nation on earth! Hopefully, the scenario gets better, for those that will continue to read.
POD is intrigueing, yet the consequences don't follw.
 
No Viking Expansion

I'll try anything once! :)

From: Vinland
Initial WI: What if the Norse had not settled the Western Continent?
POD: Thorvald Ericson starts a fight in Vinland
TL Name: Anglo-Roman Western Continent

Thorvald gets into a fight with the natives, is killed, and Norse expansion into the Western Continent never happens. Europe ignores the continent for four or five centuries, until an Italian explorer blunders across it while looking for a shortcut to Cathay. A large number of colonies start up along the Atlantic coast, eventually being dominated by English and Iberian cultures. The colonists start throwing off the mother countries in the 18th century and start exploiting the abundant natural resources. The natives are supressed and/or absorbed, and the western countries (especially a large coalition of the former English colonies) become states to rival or surpass the traditional European powers.
 
From: Islamo-wank TL
Initial: What if Ummayads had lost at Tours?
POD: Islamic loss at Tours, and no full scale invasion of Frankia
Name for TL: The Will of Allah

Muslims win at Tours, and then a full scale invasion occurs, Martel is killed and Frankia falls under their control. Emboldened, they push eastwards. From Anatolia Constantinople falls, and the banners of Muhammad stretch from Ireland to Turkestan.
 
From: A timeline where the USA fragmented after the American Revolution
Initial WI: What if George Washington hadn't died of a sudden illness in 1785?
POD: The states are unable to agree on a new Constitution, and the Confederation Congress is unable to resolve several serious disputes between various states. The USA fragments into 4 different countries by 1794.
TL: From Sea to Shining Sea - a history of a greater United States of America

"From Sea to Shining Sea" started as an fun freetime project and gradually grew into one of the most extensive, detailed, and controversial alternate scenarios ever posted on the internet. The basic POD is not terribly controversial - George Washington survives, and supports the creation of a new, stronger federal government that has the authority to effectively resolve the disputes between the various states. His support is crucial in persuading all of the states to eventually agree to this new, stronger government. The controversy comes from what happens to this large and relatively unified United States of America. In this scenario, it manages to gain control of a huge swathe of territory across the center of the North American continent, which contains parts of 7 different countries in the real world. By the early twentieth century, it becomes the world's leading industrial power, and two massive global-scale wars devastate or at least exhaust Britain, France, Germany, Russia, and China, allowing this enormous United States to become the world's dominant economic power in the second half of the twentieth century.

The many critics of this timeline argue that this alternate United States has more luck than is reasonably possible. To cite one widely-criticized example early in the timeline, in this scenario Napoleon forces Spain to cede the vast Louisiana territory back to France as in OTL, but then he turns around and sells the entire thing to the United States. This is not that implausible in and of itself - this larger and more United USA actually has enough revenue to make a large purchase, and Napoleon was reluctant to divert forces to try and support a colony that was largely cut off from France - but Britain simply stands by and allows the United States to more than double its territory without any military intervention. When war does come between the USA and Britain, it is started by the USA itself in what many would consider an insane attempt to seize Canada. This finally goads Britain into sending serious military force against the USA, but all of the British attacks ultimately fail to take their most important objectives, and the USA shrugs off the burning of its own capital city as if it never happened! Other events cited as especially improbable are Britain's willingness to concede large amounts of territory between the Pacific and Rockies to the USA, the complete victory of the United States government over an effort by no less than 11 of its own slaveholding states to break away and form a new nation, and the two massive global wars in the twentieth century which allow the already immensely wealthy United States to decisively swing the balance of power to one side while expanding its industrial might beyond the reach of any enemy weapons.

The timeline also has strong defenders, who tend to come disproportionately from North American countries. They feel that the critics, mainly from Europe, Asia, and South America, greatly underestimate the potential influence that a nation that encompassed the most productive areas of North America could have on world affairs. Debate about this timeline has sometimes degenerated into near-flamewars when North Americans accuse the critics of regionalist bias and anti-North American prejudice.
 
From: Islamo-wank TL
Initial: What if Ummayads had lost at Tours?
POD: Islamic loss at Tours, and no full scale invasion of Frankia
Name for TL: The Will of Allah

Muslims win at Tours, and then a full scale invasion occurs, Martel is killed and Frankia falls under their control. Emboldened, they push eastwards. From Anatolia Constantinople falls, and the banners of Muhammad stretch from Ireland to Turkestan.

You're supposed to describe OTL from the POV of the ATL, not describe the ATL. :p;)
 
From: No USSR
Initial: WI a massive uprising by the Russian lower class overthrew Czar Nicholas II, establishing a Red Russia?
POD: The reformer Czar Alexander II is killed by the terrorist organization Narodnaya Volya in 1881, because he attempts to tend to the wounded and is killed by a second grenade that his bulletproof carriage doesn't stop. His subsequent reforms and the establishment of the Russian Constitutional Monarchy are eliminated.
Name for TL: Blood, Iron, and Ice

In this TL, Czar Alexander II is killed by terrorists in 1881. His successor exacts revenge on the peasant populace and prevents the Russian Constitution. The serfs and factory workers eventually turn to the communist movement under V. I. Lenin, which, in our TL, was just a fringe organization of loonies. The resulting Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (best name I could come up with) became a major power in Europe, the second to split the atom, and the first to put a satellite in orbit, after defeating Germany in World War II. I know, this TL sounds ASB, given the notoriously poor quality of the Russian Army, but its possible.
 
From: Puget Sound never posted this thread
Initial WI: An idea I had--should I have posted it?
POD: Some synapse in Puget Sound's brain fails to fire.
TL Name: The most serious althistorical thing you will ever see!

More of a joke than anything, this timeline exists mainly as a way to poke fun at depth of detail in TL writing. It only covers four days, but is still amusing. For instance:

Codae avoids putting work into "The most serious althistorical thing you will ever see!", due to its POD's obsolescence, and instead of using this free time to update "The Golden Touch", describes how "The most serious althistorical thing you will ever see!" would have gone (and did IOTL) in "Names For OTL In ATLs".
 
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