Names for a Partitioned New York

I'm partial to 'The Empire State' not 'Empire' mind you, but 'The Empire State'. Much in the same way 'The Bronx' is always called 'The Bronx' and never 'Bronx'. I think its fitting with the way New York does things peculiarly, and its amusing how inconvenient it would be for things like lists of states, or attempting to reference it.
 
Minor details. Using that logic, Texas should be split into Chihuahua in West Texas, Coahuila around San Antonio and Austin, Tamaulipas on the Gulf, and just call Dallas and Fort Worth Nuevo Leon because why not.
Actually, they should've divided Texas in 5 when it joined & really pissed off the Abolitionists.:openedeyewink: (Hmmm...Brazos, Sinaloa, Tejas {there has to be one in the U.S.:openedeyewink:}, Nueva Chihuahua, & Nueva Leon...?)
 

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Upstate could be
Upper New York
The city and Long Island:
- New York
- Lower New York
- Hudson
- Manhattan
- Long Island
 

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Hamilton would be such a cool name. Considering his recent fame and popularity due to a certain show, the name is also very likely if there was a vote on it.
 
could go with the rhode island precedent and some type of fusion name, i.e. The State of Hudson and Erie
 
I was thinking that NYC and surrounding areas (including the parts of NJ that are part of the NYC metro area) take the name New York, central NY becomes Hampton, and western NY joins western PA and northeast Ohio to form the state of Erie.
 
If upstate separated (two thirds of the population of the state live in NYC or its suburbs), I would suggest any of the following names:

Haudenosaunee
Niagara
Iroquois

Though I would be OK with New York. Here is a good flag: http://iroquoisnationals.org/the-iroquois/the-iroquois-flag/

For downstate, either Hamilton or Gotham.

Hamilton is better if you do a widespread reform of the state boundaries and break up New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania into three states formed around New York City, Philadelphia, and a sort of backwoods state in the interior. They could be caused Hamilton, Franklin, and Haudenosaunee. Gotham is better for a state drawn more narrowly around NYC.

There is a case for Suffolk County, or for both Nassau and Suffolk counties to join Connecticut, but I agree they missed their chance at statehood when the aerospace industry went south.
 
If upstate separated (two thirds of the population of the state live in NYC or its suburbs), I would suggest any of the following names:

Haudenosaunee
Niagara
Iroquois

Though I would be OK with New York. Here is a good flag: http://iroquoisnationals.org/the-iroquois/the-iroquois-flag/

For downstate, either Hamilton or Gotham.

Hamilton is better if you do a widespread reform of the state boundaries and break up New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania into three states formed around New York City, Philadelphia, and a sort of backwoods state in the interior. They could be caused Hamilton, Franklin, and Haudenosaunee. Gotham is better for a state drawn more narrowly around NYC.

There is a case for Suffolk County, or for both Nassau and Suffolk counties to join Connecticut, but I agree they missed their chance at statehood when the aerospace industry went south.

What is with the thread-wide obsession of applying the name Hamilton to the New York Metropolitan Area?

Apart from a brief period of time, around the American Revolution, where applying the name of George Washington's great ally to a state might happen, it seems laughably outlandish to me.

Gotham as a name for the city is like the name Appalachia for the Upper South. Gotham is a name for the rougher parts of the city and would never be supported by the wealthy parts or any of the posher parts of lower NY.
 
What is with the thread-wide obsession of applying the name Hamilton to the New York Metropolitan Area?

Apart from a brief period of time, around the American Revolution, where applying the name of George Washington's great ally to a state might happen, it seems laughably outlandish to me.
Hamilton is probably tied with Ben Franklin as the most famous non-president among the Founding Fathers. Even before the musical, they were generally those guys who people thought was a president but wasn't. There are a few other Founding Fathers who are either from New York City or lived a significant portion of their life there, but Hamilton is by far the most famous. It's not a likely name, but I see no reason to completely dismiss it.
 
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Hamilton is probably tied with Ben Franklin as the most famous non-president among the Founding Fathers. Even before the musical, they were generally those guys who people thought was a president but wasn't. There are a few other Founding Fathers who are either from New York City or lived a significant portion of their life there, but Hamilton is by far the most famous. It's not a likely name, but I see no reason to completely dismiss it.

As a New Yorker, I just can't picture it at all.

Even though Hamilton is a very famous Founding Father, I wouldn't consider him to be a famous New Yorker or being famous as a New Yorker. George Clinton (not the musician, the first Governor of NY) is a significantly more likely choice and he would hardly even show up on the radar for names.

In general, I'd have a hard time with any person's name being applied to a hypothetical new NY State.

Also, I think the musical's appeal and reach within the NYC area is significantly overstated by media outlets. As somebody who isn't a fan of musicals, I only ever hear about it in that context and I doubt that it's popularity could really do much.
 
I doubt an earlier POD for Long Island is possible though. I think the best time for statehood was after World War II, the 1990s, and maybe now-ish. BTW, I'm from Smithtown.
I'm from Bellport.

I also think LI statehood would have been dependent on LI Sound crossings. If there were more than 2-3 (let's say they get built in the 1960s at Rye/Oyster Bay, Port Jefferson/Bridgeport and/or Old Saybrook/Orient like a few proposed plans) maybe LI doesn't feel so dependent on NYC.
 
I agree. If there was a bridge from Nassau-Westchester or Nassau-Connecticut, I think independence would be easier.

I think what makes it more difficult too is that the City and Long Island are politically becoming more similar. Before the 1990s, Long Island was heavily Republican and the City heavily Democratic. While the City still is more Democratic, Long Island is also mostly Democratic as well.
 
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