Names for a Austria-Germany?

Basically in the timeline I'm working on, Germany wins WW1 and after the collapse of Austria-Hungary in the 30's, the idea of a Union becomes very popular and the two countries unite, what are some names for such a Union?

My current ideas are the German Confederation [since it shares much of the borders of the historic confederation], Greater Germany, Austro-Germany and the United Kingdom of Germany
 
How much of Austria-Hungary unites with Germany?

Is it just the ethnic German bits? Is it Austria and Bohemia? In that case, you can just keep calling it the German Empire.

If it is all of Austria-Hungary, then it needs to have a different name.
 
Probably just Germany. Austria would be just one reichland among other reichlands like Bavaria, Saxony and others.
 
How much of Austria-Hungary unites with Germany?

Is it just the ethnic German bits? Is it Austria and Bohemia? In that case, you can just keep calling it the German Empire.

If it is all of Austria-Hungary, then it needs to have a different name.

Yeah, it's just the Areas of Austria-Hungary under Austria rule [minus Galicia], so Austria, Bohemia and Dalmatia
 
Why is Dalmatia not part of Croatia or Italy or some other country ITTL?

Basically the Austria civil war ends up being just Austria vs Hungary in the later years, with Austria making peace with other rebels in an attempt to focus on the largest rebel group.

While Hungary had the inland controlled well, the coastal regions of the area were almost entirely controlled by Austria and friends, Hungary couldn't make a good claim to the region
 
German Empire (Deutsches Kaiserreich, officially Deutsches Reich): Capital located in Berlin.

The difficult thing is naming the Austrian portion, likely a Kingdom, but Kingdom of Austrian Realm sounds clunky. And Kingdom of Cisleithania sounds a kludge. I have yet to settle on a name. And I try to justify the black and yellow flag versus red and white, but the red and white merges into the existing German flag better.

In my own drafting I have A-H survive the war in better shape and being a better partner carrying more weight in the war versus Russia, but I concede the conflict will set he divisions deeper and those fracture can break as another generation arises. So for me there is a velvet divorce, my homage to the Prague Spring, likely beginning with the Czechs and soon engulfing the Empire, but I foresee A-H going out with a whimper despite the potential for Austro-fascism and an overbearing attempt to hold the Empire.

So I have Cisleithania (Cisleithanien) minus Galicia who gets made part of Kingdom Poland and I think other minority pieces get traded away so we do reduce it to just the German majority lands. Dalmatia is predominately Slav so I think it gets carved off to a resulting southern Slav Kingdom. That really leaves the two Austrian Arch Duchies. And I think the friction points are that Germany wants to hold the Adriatic ports so the Slovenes are not getting free and I really think the salient of Bohemia is too threatening to simply let free. It takes a liberal German government to not cave into military ambitions and stomp more of Austria into the Empire despite little enthusiasm to do so.
 
I really think the salient of Bohemia is too threatening to simply let free. It takes a liberal German government to not cave into military ambitions and stomp more of Austria into the Empire despite little enthusiasm to do so.

What shape would this salient be?

Wouldn't the majority/German borderlands be incorporated into the Reich, even if the Czech-speaking areas weren't?
 
The difficult thing is naming the Austrian portion, likely a Kingdom, but Kingdom of Austrian Realm sounds clunky. And Kingdom of Cisleithania sounds a kludge. I have yet to settle on a name.
Well, IOTL we have the Republic of Eastern Realm, so a Kingdom of such is probably acceptable. If not, maybe just leave it as plain Österreich, officially with no further description, but ruled by a king.
 
What shape would this salient be?

Wouldn't the majority/German borderlands be incorporated into the Reich, even if the Czech-speaking areas weren't?

Well Bohemia and Moravia as an independent Kingdom is nearly modern Czechia, I am uncertain the later Sudeten German territory was coherent enough to hive off but even so you have a hostile independent country tucked into Greater Germany. Reason says it is harmlessly landlocked and surrounded by Germany or other hostile nations but I cannot see the average Prussian militarist being so forgiving. If we get a violent backlash it would be Germany hoping to annex BuM despite them being Slavs and the great Skoda works are part of that prize. But I assume the Austrians have not beat down the Czech revolt enough that the Bohemians do not feel better going into Germany than being left such a small fry?
 
Well, IOTL we have the Republic of Eastern Realm, so a Kingdom of such is probably acceptable. If not, maybe just leave it as plain Österreich, officially with no further description, but ruled by a king.

Can we make up something to express Kingdom of Austrian lands? And will a Hapsburg reign?
 
Well Bohemia and Moravia as an independent Kingdom is nearly modern Czechia, I am uncertain the later Sudeten German territory was coherent enough to hive off

Is there any chance whatever that an undefeated Germany would agree to two million Germans being put under a Czech government?

If the "Sudetenland" can't be hived off, isn't the alternative to that a full-blown annexation of Bohemia/Moravia rather than independence?
 
Is there any chance whatever that an undefeated Germany would agree to two million Germans being put under a Czech government?

If the "Sudetenland" can't be hived off, isn't the alternative to that a full-blown annexation of Bohemia/Moravia rather than independence?

You sum up my Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
 
Basically the Austria civil war ends up being just Austria vs Hungary in the later years, with Austria making peace with other rebels in an attempt to focus on the largest rebel group.

While Hungary had the inland controlled well, the coastal regions of the area were almost entirely controlled by Austria and friends, Hungary couldn't make a good claim to the region

If a civil war breaks up between Austria and Hungary, it is exceedingly unlikely that the Croats would support Hungary.
 
If a civil war breaks up between Austria and Hungary, it is exceedingly unlikely that the Croats would support Hungary.

I agree. In this timeline, the Croats are the first to revolt, but unfortunately for them, Hungary didn't revolt right away; they waited until they saw that Austria was unable to fight back, which was after the Croats were put down.

The basic logic isn't that the situation is stable, far from it. At the first chance of Hungarian weakness [No more than five years I think], they are going to revolt, with likely support from Bosnia, Serbia, Germany[and Austria] and Romania, who all stand to gain from a weakened Hungary. My plan is that Hungary gets stomped, with ethnic Serb and Romanian lands going to their nations and Croatia/Slovenia uniting with Bosnia as a German client state.

But I'm still working it out and probably have missed something, I no expert on European history.
 
I agree. In this timeline, the Croats are the first to revolt, but unfortunately for them, Hungary didn't revolt right away; they waited until they saw that Austria was unable to fight back, which was after the Croats were put down.

The basic logic isn't that the situation is stable, far from it. At the first chance of Hungarian weakness [No more than five years I think], they are going to revolt, with likely support from Bosnia, Serbia, Germany[and Austria] and Romania, who all stand to gain from a weakened Hungary. My plan is that Hungary gets stomped, with ethnic Serb and Romanian lands going to their nations and Croatia/Slovenia uniting with Bosnia as a German client state.

But I'm still working it out and probably have missed something, I no expert on European history.

For me Hungary knows it needs the Empire to thrive and the Hapsburgs know the Empire is better than being swallowed by Prussian dominated Germany. Lutheran Prussia wants nothing to do with Catholic Austria, a fifth Kingdom dilutes its power and gives the Bavarians another ally, it should give Zentrum a new electoral base and I believe Zentrum would push for autonomy in Catholic Prussian provinces as well as further liberal and electoral reforms in Prussia, worse yet it can use SDP to dominate the Reichstag. Thus I believe Germany props up Austria and has no desire to beat on Hungary or add the Slavs to its existing ethnic minorities. That said I think a breakup looks rather benign, a split into Hungary and Austria, but as you suggest it should be Croats or Czechs or Poles who begin the decline. In theory you have a third Kingdom in Poland, maybe a fourth being agitated for in the South, that steals from both halves but I think Hungary is most ill at ease, that leaves them Slovaks and Romanians and no coast. All said I think these diverse minorities prefer to stay inside the A-H they know, but if something breaks it falls apart without the need for shots fired, and I see Germany likely under a Zentrum/SDP coalition less than ready to curb stomp anyone or annex anyone, they get a mess and no good solutions.
 
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