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Whether Queen Elizabeth of England become the Dutch monarch or a union caused by a child from William and Mary. What will the Anglo-Dutch Empire's combined realm be called?
Name Of United Kingdom and Netherlands Together (Union)?
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the Parliament will never allow it, if anything....will be a hannover in steroids
I was gonna say...I feel like the English have always been rather xenophobic. Except in the case of James II, in which case even a foreign monarch was preferable to a Catholic one. But yeah, I don't know what the plans were OTL for that situation in regards to William and Mary but I can't imagine that their son would be allowed to inherit both crowns.
It might even turn out like the Glorious Revolution, where Anne and George of Denmark are invited to take the throne of the UK/England after William dies and before William Jr can properly installed. But how that goes down and what happens after that is anyone's guess.
Elizabeth was actively sabotaging any attempts o make her Queen of... Holland and Zeeland I think it was? She didn’t want the land, the competition for the English, and the constant wars. Anyways, I don’t see the Dutch allowing it either, as they kept stopping attempts at getting kings on them until the Napoleonic era. I also imagine there might be an issue of the Stuarts when Elizabeth dies.
At which point?
And formally or informally?
There's bound to be several names at different points. Especially depending when or if political union occurs.
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I'm Just Asking What The Name Of This Country Will Be Called If It Is Possible.
Not sure if its possible but "UK of England and the Netherlands" or "UK of Great Britain and Netherlands" would work.
So a political union then?
Then the formal name will depend on when the conglomerate occurs. Does Ireland unify politically with England before or after the Netherlands does? Is there a political union of England with Scotland at any point? Etc.
Expect a format like United Kingdom(s) of X, Y, Z.
Informally it's probably the Anglo-Dutch Empire.
Only for as long as the Netherlands remains an important partner. When talking about the UK a lot of people still call it England, simply because Scotland, Wales and (Northern) Ireland were not as important or strong as England was.
How it would be called realy depends on how it was unified. Elizabeth becoming queen of the Netherlands creates a very different situation than a continued "personal Union" after William III. In Elizabeths time there wasn't an actualy Netherlands. It was basicly a bunch of duchies, counties and lordships rebelling against Spain. She could become queen of the Netherlands, or it could have been called Belgium, or maybe Batavia, or whatever they think about. Even something like Lotharingia or Burgundy is possible, I guess. So I would guess it ends up becoming the united kingdom of England and the Netherlands (or whatever name they chose for it). Although it would take ages to become actualy unified. It took quite a while before Scotland and England became one country, after all.
If William III has a son, who becomes king of England, and manages to become stadholder of the Netherlands, you get a strange situation. The problem is that William III was never king of the Netherlands, or even stadholder of the Netherlands. He was stadholder of 5 provinces of the Netherlands (which is why I always call it a "personal union" instead of an actual personal Union). At this point we are still far away from an actual unification. Unification is possible though (even though I consider it unlikely, and the main problems lie in the Netherlands, not in Great Britain). If it unifies it depends on how. If the English actualy become king of the Netherlands, it will be United Kingdom. I could see something strange as the Commonwealth of the Kingdoms of England , Scotland and the Republic of the Netherlands, or something weird like that.
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Actually, in the first decade of the Dutch Revolt the rebels tried their upmost best to get someone to accept the crown. They approached Elizabeth and the king of France and William of Orange would have been made count of Holland if he hadn't been assasinated.
She would be either Duchess of Brabant and Gelre, Countess of Holland, Zeeland, Zutphen and Flanders, Lady of Mechelen, Frisia and Utrecht (They signed the Plakkaat van Verlatinghe) or Lady (or sovereign) of the Netherlands, but not queen.
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I need to check this. I can remember they actualy asked Elizabeth to become queen, but it is certainly possible I remember incorrectly.
That sounds nice. I suppose for Elizabeth or similar it could be Commonwealth of the Kingdoms of England, of Ireland, of France, and of the United Provinces of the Netherlands.
Iirc correctly she was asked to be something like Commander or Governor General (of the provinces etc).
Sovereign was roughly just a contemporary term for Head of State. It implied there was noone above you in authority (but God).
STADHOLDER is the historical title, so something like Sovereing count as Translation
Stadholder was under the Habsburgers just the representative of the sovereign in the `gewest`(region). The estates of the republic kept the title for the two branches of the Oranges who supported the rebellion. Basically they were supreme commanders of the army, but informaly they had a lot more influence, because they had the privilege to approve many appointments in local government.