Name of a United France-Spain

You guys have been playing too much EUIV. Countries in the 17th-18th centuries didn't simply make up names for themselves. If the King of France conquered Spain, he'd still be the King of France. If he inherited the Kingdom of Spain, he'd be the King of France and Spain, but they'd still be two separate countries. There would be informal names and names later given by historians (like the Angevin Empire and the Iberian Union to give examples), but those would not be "official" names used by the government.

We do have an example to the contrary - England and Scotland became the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
 
We do have an example to the contrary - England and Scotland became the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

There's also the creation of the Tsardom of Russia by the Grand Prince of Moscow, the formal creation of the PLC at the Union of Lublin, or the creation of the Grand Duchy of Tuscany.
 
There would be a French Kingdom and a Spanish Kingdom, the guy would be "Par la Grâce de Dieu, Roi de France, de Navarre et d'Espagne"
 
Transpyrenaical Republic / Union of Bourbon / Latin Empire / The Catholic Monarchy / Gallispania / Euskadiwank.
 

Md139115

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We do have an example to the contrary - England and Scotland became the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

There's also the creation of the Tsardom of Russia by the Grand Prince of Moscow, the formal creation of the PLC at the Union of Lublin, or the creation of the Grand Duchy of Tuscany.

And lest we forget, the Kingdom of Spain itself was created out of the Kingdoms of Galicia, Leon, Castile, Aragon, Valencia, Majorca, Navarra, and a few other entities that I forget right now.
 
And lest we forget, the Kingdom of Spain itself was created out of the Kingdoms of Galicia, Leon, Castile, Aragon, Valencia, Majorca, Navarra, and a few other entities that I forget right now.
By the Grace of God, King Louis XXXIV of Neustria Aquitaine Burgundy Brittany Galicia Leon Castile Aragon Valencia and Navarra
Longass titles are best titles
 
By the Grace of God, King Louis XXXIV of Neustria Aquitaine Burgundy Brittany Galicia Leon Castile Aragon Valencia and Navarra
Longass titles are best titles
Dont forget that, like some people had already said here, They could try to associate this kingdom with the Western Roman Empire ("Emperor of the West") for glory.
 
If they have the European territories of France and Spain before the treaty of Utrecht, I believe that the Western Roman Empire would be the best legacy to claim.
Otherwise, the Bourbon (or Capetian) Empire might do. Or they will just go with France-Spain, or just France.
 

Md139115

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This is actually something I’m now wondering. The united Kingdom of Spain was created out of multiple thrones of clearly royal rank, and the realm of Castile alone was one of the largest realms in Europe while several of the others (Aragon + Barcelona, Leon, Galicia) are close in size to several other European kingdoms, like Denmark, or Bohemia. Did they ever consider declaring the nation of imperial rank? It’s not as though anyone would be angered by them doing so, the Papacy was generally compliant and the first real ruler of all Spain was Holy Roman Emperor already.
 
The difference between this one and Great Britain, Russia or Spain is that the latter three were well recognized as geographic regions. France-Spain as an entity is not.

If the entity is by a less traditional monarch, I wonder about Spain and Gaul being two regions of the Greater French Empire.
 
The difference between this one and Great Britain, Russia or Spain is that the latter three were well recognized as geographic regions. France-Spain as an entity is not.

If the entity is by a less traditional monarch, I wonder about Spain and Gaul being two regions of the Greater French Empire.

Poland-Lithuania wasn't really a single region, however. Nor was Sweden-Lithuania, which nearly happened.


I think the mentioned Ausgleich model in which the crowns of Castille and Aragon (and perhaps Navarre) are separated is a good one to look at.

His Royal Majesty, Emperor of the Bourbon Realm and King of France, Castille, Aragon, and Navarre has a nice ring to it.
 
This is actually something I’m now wondering. The united Kingdom of Spain was created out of multiple thrones of clearly royal rank, and the realm of Castile alone was one of the largest realms in Europe while several of the others (Aragon + Barcelona, Leon, Galicia) are close in size to several other European kingdoms, like Denmark, or Bohemia. Did they ever consider declaring the nation of imperial rank? It’s not as though anyone would be angered by them doing so, the Papacy was generally compliant and the first real ruler of all Spain was Holy Roman Emperor already.

Yes. One great example is Urraca, Queen of Leon, Castille, and Galicia. She claimed the imperial title of Empress of all the Spains and had coins minted and formal documents penned in the appropriate manner. The title was used for a while during the High Middle Ages, but since it wasn't really popular outside of Hispania (remember that Western Europe still clung to the belief that there could only be one emperor aka the Holy Roman Emperor), it was forgotten. Only after the collapse of the HRE did every nation suddenly make claim to the title of Emperor. Russia is of course the exception; they were so far from European influence that I don't think the Tsars nor the HRE cared.
 
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Cryostorm

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The BBB could work;), more seriously I could see them go to take Italy and be called the Latin Empire or Roman Empire if done before Napoleon.

Also every nation west of Russia just fainted.
 
Franco-Iberian Empire talk makes me think Portugal is going to have a heart attack.

They did when Fernando and Isabel started referring to Spain (especially since it implied dominion over Portugal as well, given that the "imperator totius Hispaniae" covered Portugal too). Nobody paid it much mind.

As to a name, the Spanish style was so long (king of Castile, Léon, Aragon, Valencia, Majorca etc etc etc) that an addition of France in there will be barely noticeable (in theory). Bourbon France had one of the shortest styles AFAIK "by the Grace of God king of France and Navarre". No mention of "duke of Burgundy" or "duke of Brittany" and the like. So it'll probably just be "by the grace of God, of France, Spain and Navarre, king".

Calling it the Bourbon Monarchy is the most likely option though? Although the Spanish and French will probably still refer to their side of the Pyrenees as Castile, Aragon or France.
 
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