Name for Muslim ruled Italy

Hi everybody, I'm working on a short story set in a world where there is an Umayyad victory at the Battle of Toulouse and Aquitaine is solidly in Islamic hands leading to the Caliphate invading and conquering Sicily earlier than OTL and then invading Italy and eventually conquering it. The Umayyads are able to suppress an ITTL insurrection by the Kaysanite Shia postponing the dynasties fall in the Middle East until the Khurramites rise up and under Pāpak Khorramdin expel the Caliphate from Persia and promote the Khurramites form of neo-Mazdakian Zoroastrianism as the religion of the new Persian Empire. The loss of most of Persia is followed by the loss of Egypt as the Christians revolt and create a new kingdom overthrowing the Islamic elite minority similar to what happened in Persia. In Mesopotamia Kaysanites under the Abbasids revolt again and gain control of Arabia and Mesopotamia, though they are unable to regain the territories of the Caliphate lost the the Egyptians and the Persians. In Southern Europe the Umayyad dynasty survives in Islamic Spain, Italy, and North Africa. The Kingdom of Egypt is eventually conquered by the resurgent Roman Empire and the the two distinct Caliphates develop very differently, with the Abbasid Caliphate becoming very fundamentalist and developing a siege mentality while the Umayyad Caliphate becomes far more liberal.

I would really like to know if anyone has any kind of suggestion on what Islamic Italy would be called? Like Islamic Spain is Al-Andalusia so what might the name for Islamic Italy be called?

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Possibly Rum (Rome)... It's also likely that whatever Islamic polity comes to dominate *Italy will simply be named after the dynasty, with specific regions having their names "Arabized" (at-Tuskāna, al-Umbirīya, al-Kambāniya, etc.)
 
I'm liking your scenario. Do post it in TL form at some point.

al-Italiya or something like that sounds good, while al-Rum might work too. After all, they'd have the actual Rome on their hands.
 
I wonder if (with time) the local brand of Islam will come to venerate local saints and Catholic holy sites. Assuming they don't stamp out the Papacy, the People of the Book will all be in very close proximity, so it's either get along and blur lines or sectarianism.
 
I wonder if (with time) the local brand of Islam will come to venerate local saints and Catholic holy sites. Assuming they don't stamp out the Papacy, the People of the Book will all be in very close proximity, so it's either get along and blur lines or sectarianism.

I don't know... Egypt and Syria had rich Christian traditions in OTL.
 
Also, I have a question about your scenario (which - I'll join the chorus - looks awesome)... What's going on in India? Has Islam established itself there in any way?
 
Possibly Rum (Rome)... It's also likely that whatever Islamic polity comes to dominate *Italy will simply be named after the dynasty, with specific regions having their names "Arabized" (at-Tuskāna, al-Umbirīya, al-Kambāniya, etc.)

What is al-Kambāniya? I recognize the first two as Tuscany and Umbria, but I can't recognize the other two.
 
I wonder if (with time) the local brand of Islam will come to venerate local saints and Catholic holy sites. Assuming they don't stamp out the Papacy, the People of the Book will all be in very close proximity, so it's either get along and blur lines or sectarianism.

It's possible. In the Caucasus, Christians and Muslims revere a lot of the same sites, as is the case in the Levant.
 
It's possible. In the Caucasus, Christians and Muslims revere a lot of the same sites, as is the case in the Levant.

The same thing is true in much of India- Hindus and Muslims tend to venerate the same saints (e.g. Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti)
 
Keep it simple. The Emirate of Italy.

I'm looking more for the name of the region. Their are numerous Emirates in Northern Italy, each going by their own name. Thanks for the suggestion though.

For some reason Iran in this map looks like an enlarged 1920s Poland from OTL.

I'm not sure why that is.

Possibly Rum (Rome)... It's also likely that whatever Islamic polity comes to dominate *Italy will simply be named after the dynasty, with specific regions having their names "Arabized" (at-Tuskāna, al-Umbirīya, al-Kambāniya, etc.)

I'm thinking maybe the Umayyad Caliphate will be known as the Caliphate of Rum with the Taifa states of Northern Italy having names similar to to what you suggested about specific regions.

I'm liking your scenario. Do post it in TL form at some point.

al-Italiya or something like that sounds good, while al-Rum might work too. After all, they'd have the actual Rome on their hands.

Thanks for the support, but while I may end up flushing out the idea into a full on TL in the future, at the moment I'm not confident enough in my knowledge of the time period to make a well written and plausible TL.

I'm taking a liking to Al-Italiya being the name for the region as a whole.

I wonder if (with time) the local brand of Islam will come to venerate local saints and Catholic holy sites. Assuming they don't stamp out the Papacy, the People of the Book will all be in very close proximity, so it's either get along and blur lines or sectarianism.

My basic idea is that the Pope first fled to Ravenna after the forces of the Caliphate neared Rome and after the Caliphate continued to push northward the papacy moved to Venice with the Popes of Venice becoming more and more like the the Patriarch of Constantinople. I'm toying with the idea of the Caliphs setting up their own Pope in Rome and as the Arab, Berber, and native Muslim populations grow they adopt cultural and religious aspects of the much larger Catholic Italian populous, like drinking wine and images depicting the prophet. I'm thinking that the Muslims will venerate many of the same places of worship as the Christians as well as venerate Italian and by extension Roman historical figures. Like I can see the Caliph who conquered Rome drawing parallels between himself and Constantine the Great and possibly seeing the Caliphate as the Roman Empire and the Caliphs as simply a new Islamic Roman Dynasty.

Also, I have a question about your scenario (which - I'll join the chorus - looks awesome)... What's going on in India? Has Islam established itself there in any way?

My basic idea is that with Islam being largely kicked out of Persia the religion largely faded away outside of Mesopotamia and Southern Europe/North Africa. Islam exists in Central Asia and in India, but it is not the religion of any states and is even less common than Nestorian Christianity.
 
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