Name for Austrian Poland?
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Given a Spanish-speaking background it sounds almost like 'Bad Poland', but either way the premise is interesting
The least controversial option would be "Grand Duchy of Cracow", analogue to Grand Duchy of Warsaw, thus Austria would give message to Russians and Prussians, that she has no claims to whole Poland.
That is the old name of the place we can add austrian silesia there as well as White Croatia.
Galicia does still seem the best name. If they are keeping kingdoms around in this then they would want that, as it was tied to the Hungarian Crown centuries before. Might be an issue with keeping it in one piece though, as the Poles might dominate the politics too much, and anger the other Slavs there.
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White Croatia is a very erudite name for Małopolska. Absolutely unknown to any but the nerdiest of geeks and the stuffiest of historians 
It dates back to the Slavic Migration Period when the ancestors of the Slovenes, Croats and Serbs lived to the north of the Carpathians. Some went west - and that is why you have "Serbo-Lusatians" in what today is Eastern Germany, others went south - hence "Serbo-Croats" in the Balkans.
The split ocurred around the time when the Avar Khaganate had been weakened by the Franks. Or in the window between the destruction of the Gepids and the settlement of Avars in the Pannonian Plain - I have gaps in my knowledge.
It dates back to the Slavic Migration Period when the ancestors of the Slovenes, Croats and Serbs lived to the north of the Carpathians. Some went west - and that is why you have "Serbo-Lusatians" in what today is Eastern Germany, others went south - hence "Serbo-Croats" in the Balkans.
The split ocurred around the time when the Avar Khaganate had been weakened by the Franks. Or in the window between the destruction of the Gepids and the settlement of Avars in the Pannonian Plain - I have gaps in my knowledge.
IOTL Austrian plan of moving capital of province to Jarosław (city bit north of Przemyśl) would propably came into existence. Jarosław is closer to geographical center of enlarged Galizia. Thus we have another candidate to the thread about cities that could be great in ATL. Also Sandomierz, which is not located right at the border ITTL would remain important city. Warsaw OTOH is screwed.
If 1795 partition borders are restored in Vienna, then Prussia would not be given northern part of Saxony as compensate for loses in Poland.
If 1795 partition borders are restored in Vienna, then Prussia would not be given northern part of Saxony as compensate for loses in Poland.
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Instead of White Croatia it could be also Chrobatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croatia
or Cracovia as some Czech kings from late Premislides have also title of Cracovian Princes.
Or could it be Vistulia, as land of Vistulans, the West Slavic tribe that whas subordinate of Great Moravia and early Czech Kingdom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistulans
or Cracovia as some Czech kings from late Premislides have also title of Cracovian Princes.
Or could it be Vistulia, as land of Vistulans, the West Slavic tribe that whas subordinate of Great Moravia and early Czech Kingdom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistulans
The important thing to note is that we are talking crowns, thus (Wiki)
"King of Galicia and Lodomeria was a medieval title which the King of Hungary (Andrew II) adopted during his conquest of the region in the 12th century. "
The old title confers legitimacy, and you cannot really create a NEW crown with a different title.
"King of Galicia and Lodomeria was a medieval title which the King of Hungary (Andrew II) adopted during his conquest of the region in the 12th century. "
The old title confers legitimacy, and you cannot really create a NEW crown with a different title.
You could, but getting the new titles taken seriously is another matter.
And you get a crown!!!
And You get a crown!!!
And YOU get a crown!!!...
Ok, I'm posting in here because a new separate post has no replies, and here are some other posters interested in the topic.
Alternative swap of territories in 1815. The Russians are in Lviv/Lvov/Lemberg as in OTL
PODs are two:
- Austrians want some recompense for the loss of Silesia, so they request for former prussian Neuschlesien. They also think, that it would be much easier to govern people who are Catholics yet they don't want to lose a physical barrier against Russians, so they kept southern part of old Red Ruthenia (whith the town of Halicz / Khalich, from which the name of titulatory Kingdom comes);
- Tzar Alexander is a little less polonophilic, a little more All-Russian, so he want to incorporate into Russia more lands with Ortodox and Eastern Catholics and less with Roman Catholics. Chełm / Khelm , Biała Podlaska with some Ukrainians, Sejny with Lithuanians and Lviv / Lvov are incorporated directly into Russia. Congress Poland is smaller.
The new austrian Kingdom of Galicia has provinces of Old Galicia, New Galicia and Neuschlesien.
How it could affect Polish and Ukrainian national identity creation? Could it be a separate Little Poland / Vistulan / Krakovian national identity?
How it would affect WWI? How will look like eastern borders of interwar Poland?
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Dude with a 1800 POD everything Is Butterfly away.
Maybe an even More catholic Poland? Considering orthodox as traitors? Still wonder if they would push for a federation among habsburgs ? Or they look for the hungarians? https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...stria-noy-hungary-after-the-augsleich.310104/