My Timeline: American World

This TL doesn't break the laws of physics, so it's not ASB.

But everything I've read, starting from the annexation of Mexico onwards, is terribly unlikely.

And the conquest of the U.S by a reborn CSA is the most unlikely thing I've seen. I can understand perhaps wanting to write a fun CSA wank {loathsome as that country is}, but I dunno... the almost-impossibility of it kind of ruins it for me.

Then again, I know what it's like to write a TL that skirts the edges of ASB. My first TL was so terrible I created a new username to escape the shame. :p
 

Numb

Banned
Part 3: 1915-1932

Part 3 1915-1932
Between The Wars



1915: Following the surrender of the Dual Entente in late 1914, the victorious Allied Powers took it upon themselves to divide there defeated enemies empires and colonies amongst themselves at the Congress of Richmond, where the French and Russian Empires were divided between the Allies. Below are the divisions of the treaty:
  • Russian Alaska will be ceded to the CSA.
  • The nations of the Ukraine, Belorussia, the Confederation of the Baltic, the Confederation of the Caucasus, and Turkistan will be granted independence from the Russian Empire.
  • Frances Guyana will be ceded to the Confederacy.
  • Frances colonies in Africa will be divided between Italy, Germany, Britain, and the Confederacy.
  • French Vietnam and Frances Zone of Influence in China will be ceded to the Confederate States of America as a mandate which will be granted independence when it is deemed the appropriate time by the Confederacy.
  • Parts of southern and eastern France will be ceded to Germany, Belgium, and Italy.
  • Russia Zone of Influence in China will be reorganized into the Chinese Federation, with joint German and British control over its foreign affairs.
  • Russia and France will pay 60,000,000,000 British Pounds each to the Allied Powers, a total of 120,000,000,000 pounds.
  • Russia and France may not have an army of over 135,000 men.
After it was completed, the treaty went out to all of the victorious Allies for ratification, and after 3 months of bitter debate about who gets what and about repetitions, the treaty was approved and singed by all belligerents.

1916: The Confederacy begins to enter a period of economic and social prosperity, with stocks hitting an all time high. The same occurs in the rest of the Allied nations and most of the neutrals.

Meanwhile in the defeated nations, it is just the opposite. With the loss of there empires and much of there workforce due to war casualties, the recessions begin in France and Russia due to those factors and the war debts. Support for Communist Parties grow as does Nationalist Parties, and soon most of the two countries adult population is part of one group or the other.

1917: A hybrid party begins to emerge in the defeated nations made up of the Communist and Nationalist Parties called the Communal Nationalist Party, which endorses the fruits and concepts of Communism while melding them into a National frame that works toward making the “State of the People”, in which all people will be equal and work toward the common goal of a better nation, and therefore a stronger people. It starts out as a fledgling third wing party, but as it slowly begins to take up steam, it becomes a force to be reckoned with.

1918: The French government is overthrown by the Communal Nationalist Party, and when the new government takes control, celebrations take place for over a week before the people can finally calm themselves down. A revolt is attempted in Russia, but it is squashed by the Tsar, although its brutal way of crushing the rebellion leaves many of the Tsars followers feeling iffy about what side they should choose, and secretly the Communal Nationalist Republic of France begins to fund the Communal Nationalist Party there.

1919: The Confederacy, seeing the turn of events in the defeated nations, returns the war reparations to France and Russia, greatly healing Confederate relations with the two countries.

The Congress of London meets with Italy, the Confederacy, Germany, and Britain to discuss what to do with China as attacks on the Anglo-German dominated Chinese Federation and the Confederate Mandate of Indochina by independent Chinese Warlords. Japan joins the Congress after an invitation from the Confederacy, and it is later decided to split China into sections under direct control of each member while creating a pro-Allied China in central Asia. After fierce talks, it is agreed upon (the borders), and the Allied Armies invade China, subduing the warlords within months, and dividing China into there own personal playgrounds. Officially however, each “Sector” is still part of the Chinese Empire, whose “Emperor” is actually an Allied puppet. In Central Asia however, what is not in the Chinese Federation or in the Chinese “Empire”, is actually a free Chinese state called the Kingdom of China, which is ruled by the true King of China, King Meii the First.

Left out of this Congress, was the last of the Victorious Allied Powers, Austria-Hungary, enraged by this betrayal, and with its economy not doing very well due to ethnic problems, begins to try and heal relations with France and Russia, an act that will have major consequences in the future.

1920: King Meii begins to organize his nations Army as well as industrializing his small nation as to make it stronger, although personally he resents Western ways.

The Communal Nationalist Rebellion breaks out in Russia, this time turning into a bloody Civil War between the Communal Nationalist Party and the Tsarist government.

1921: The Confederacy begins to grant basic rights to its mandate of Indochina, such as Freedom of Speech, the Press, and religion as well as that to petition and peacefully assemble. This cuts down over half of the violence in the region, and it will slowly get smaller and smaller until the Confederacy completely withdraws from Indochina 7 years later.

1922: The Communal Nationalist Republic of Russia is formed from the CNP Faction in the Russian Civil War, and it is immediately recognized by France, the Kingdom of China, and Austria-Hungary.

The CSA admits Hawaii as a state of the Confederacy.

1923: Austria-Hungary is reorganized into the Communal Nationalist Republic of Greater Austria (CNRGA, or CNR of Greater Austria), and it begins a massive industrialization and construction effort to make the country as efficient as possible. France sends funding to help the effort. Greater Austria lifts its reparations from France and Russia.

1924; The Confederacy gives Indochina all the rights form the Original United States Bill of Rights, cutting violence in half again.

1925: The CSA grants Indochina home rule, and it begins to function on its own. This change is brought about by a nation wide vote on keeping Indochina as colony. Confederate West Africa is also granted home rule, although Confederate troops are forced to stay there to prevent tribal violence.

1926: The CSA continues to grant Indochina more and more rights, and it is almost ready for independence.

The Russian Civil War finally ends with the division of Russia into the CNR of Russia (Western Russia), and the Empire of the Russians (East Russia).

1927: Confederate Indochina, after 3 years of successful home rule, is granted independence from the Confederacy as the Federated States of Indochina (FSI). It almost immediately signs an alliance and trade deal valid for 50 years with the Confederacy on its own wishes, and it then enters the world stage on its own accord.

East Russia passes Democratic reforms to make the Empire more stable, and industrialization, construction of infrastructure and a new navy also begin.

1928: The Vienna Conference begins and is attended by Greater Austria, France, and West Russia. They agree to form the Communal Eurasian Alliance (CEA), Communal Powers. They agree to help each other industrialize, share technology, form a united military, and form a loose trade union between the three nations.

In reaction to this, and fearing for there safety, Belorussia, the Confederation of the Baltic, Finland, and the Ukraine meet in Sevastopol and form the Slavic Alliance to counter the Communal Eurasian Alliance. Ironically, the Slavic Alliance passes many of the actions that the CEA does such as sharing technology, unifying there militaries, and forming a loose trade union. The Slavic Alliance begins a massive construction and industrializing effort to prepare for any CEA attacks against them.

1929: The Airplane is invented in Panama City, Panama, CSA, by Antonio Torrez and his brother Martino Torrez, they fly it for a total of 3 minutes and 13 seconds before they are forced to land it on beach near the Atlantic Coast. The Confederate government soon learns of this amazing invention and begins to develop them for its military, with the Torrez brothers leading the new Department of Air Technology, and large amounts of funding are poured into the Department. Using this funding, they begin to develop new airplanes for both civilian and military purposes.

1930: The Confederate government orders the construction of a Dual Canal through Confederate Central America, one through Panama and one through Nicaragua.

The final slaves are freed with the passing of the Negro Manumission Bill, which frees the few hundred or so slaves still in bondage. October 21st is declared a national holiday in honor of all those who died for the CSA in the Great War, and a monument is built in Richmond and Washington DC, not only to honor just Confederate veterans, but those who died for the Union cause before it finally fell.

1931: The Slavic Alliance gains a major new member, the Empire of the Russians (East Russia) on June 17th. With this new member, the Slavic Alliance gains a huge new source of man power, a large navy, and a huge amount of industry geared for war and peace, a thing which is desperately needed for the only halfway modernized/industrialized nations of the Slavic Alliance.

Only two years after its invention, the first Military plane for the United States military is flown for a successful 45 minute flight in which it dropped bombs on practice targets 2 miles behind enemy lines; it is called the Torrez I in honor of its inventors. Mass production begins of the Torrez 1, and after a suggestion by the Torrez brothers, an entirely new branch of the military is created, the Confederate States Air Force

1932: Border issues begin to rise between the Slavic and Communal Alliances, with most being on the border between East and West Russia. West Russia’s President-General Leon Trotsky orders the military to full mobilization so that “mighty mother Russia can finally be united under its rightful government”. The full mobilization is responded in kind with the Communal Alliance mobilizing fully, forcing the defense minded Slavic Alliance to do the same. “This needs only one thing to go horribly wrong”, says the French President-General de Gaulle, “and Ill be damned if it comes from the France.”

Slavic scientists invent a new weapon for the battlefield, looking like a metal barrel on caterpillar treads, it is code named the “barrel”, by the army, and it begins testing in East Russia where it will be out of enemy site until ready for the war.

The World 003 1927.png
 

So five Confederate states where the population is literally nothing more than ten trillion ants and some birds?

I'm… ignoring the existence of the Confederacy at all, much less its absorption of the US and impossible, massive expansion.

This TL doesn't break the laws of physics, so it's not ASB.

No, that's not the definition of ASB. Time travel doesn't break the laws of physics, nor do the transmutation and teleportation of matter, and yet The United States of Ameriwank is in ASB.

ASB is for both wholly and utterly implausible scenarios due to spontaneous creation of, introduction of, or changes to matter, spontaneous changes to human mindset, and for all future technologies and assumptions about future happenings that are not currently predicted or outright known.

AND breaking the laws of physics. But not exclusively. This is utterly ASB.
 
There's probably an interesting timeline buried in here, but its pretty deeply buried.

I don't know if its technically "ASB" or just "so close to impossible that it might as well be".

I'll leave that for those who care to nitpick over the definition.

To me, it would take extraterrestrial flying mammals to make possible, and that's enough to put in the "Restart this, please." pile.

I mean, we have guys like Lee - who actively made a point of reconciliation (openly, at least) OTL, trying to stir up anti-US sentiments from Brazil - because . . . um . . .

It just doesn't work.
 
I also just noticed that in Confederate Indochina, introducing free speech, press, and religion managed to cut down half of the violence in less then a year. And then by granting them full rights as defined in the Bill of Rights, violence is cut in half again... in a span of two years. Who knew that people actually loved foreign occupation, so long as they got basic rights.

Also noted that Confederate West Africa got the same treatment, but Confederate troops had to stay there in order to "prevent tribal violence".

Errrrrr. :rolleyes:
 

Numb

Banned
no

Uh, shouldn't the 1861 POD somewhat butterfly the 1870 circumstances which created Imperial Germany
no, because the US didnt have any effect realy on Germany forming, even through butterflys, and I dont think this would either.
 

Numb

Banned
thank you

:D
So five Confederate states where the population is literally nothing more than ten trillion ants and some birds?

I'm… ignoring the existence of the Confederacy at all, much less its absorption of the US and impossible, massive expansion.



No, that's not the definition of ASB. Time travel doesn't break the laws of physics, nor do the transmutation and teleportation of matter, and yet The United States of Ameriwank is in ASB.

ASB is for both wholly and utterly implausible scenarios due to spontaneous creation of, introduction of, or changes to matter, spontaneous changes to human mindset, and for all future technologies and assumptions about future happenings that are not currently predicted or outright known.

AND breaking the laws of physics. But not exclusively. This is utterly ASB.
you may be tyrying to break me down, but I take ASB as a compliment, so thank you. :p:D
 
Top