My Theory for Ottoman Victory in the Great war concerning Oil

Oil was not as value as now but every cent count and yeah and an advantage Germany and AH will have is the ottomans will have to buy all the early capital tools and expertise from them, pretty easi germans and Austrians firm will benefit of the ottoman empire economical growth and with all their rivals(Russia, GB, France and their minorities they pushed) defeated they can focus full time economics, but debts and other things are real and will take time to get back online(like 5-10 years, rather forever like people think here...that is racist)

As agrarian life decreases, and urban, and industrial life increases throughout the world, oil becomes more valuable. When the Young Turks start mass industrializing, they will seek oil in their borders. And while Germany and Austria-Hungary would gain capital from Ottomans buying their equipment, even though using German rifles, in a couple of years, they will seek the creation of their own rifles. When the Ottomans finish the majority of their industrialization, while still being a Central Power member, will become more independent, and less dependent on the German Empire.

And if German capital invests in the Ottoman Empire, Germany probably benefits more than if they asked for reparations. The Faster the Ottomans can industrialize, the more it'll help the Germans in the long run.

Although I wouldn't call anyone who disagrees, like Dorknought a racist, I've seen him on other threads, and he's a nice guy. I'm Turkish, and I don't consider what he, or what anyone else said racist, just constructive criticism.
 
Sorry, I meant the Ottomans, while annexing Kuwait, would seize the majority of Persian oil fields in Persia, transferred from British to Ottoman hands.

Let's think that through. A recurring misconception of yours is that if the Germans take Paris in 1918 then the CP will have carte blanche to get whatever they want from all Entente nations incl. the British. I regard that as a non sequitur. With regards to the Persian oil I can see Germans and Ottomans at best sharing it with the British perhaps as minority shareholders in the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.
 
Let's think that through. A recurring misconception of yours is that if the Germans take Paris in 1918 then the CP will have carte blanche to get whatever they want from all Entente nations incl. the British. I regard that as a non sequitur. With regards to the Persian oil I can see Germans and Ottomans at best sharing it with the British perhaps as minority shareholders in the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.

The Ottomans and Germans might really push that in negotiations because of German ambitions for influence in Persia. I don't know if they'd succeed or not.
 

kernals12

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Conveniently for the Turks, the land where almost all of Persia's oil is located is mostly ethnically Arab. If they got their hands on all of it, they'd control probably 1/3 of the world's oil production by 1970.
 
Conveniently for the Turks, the land where almost all of Persia's oil is located is mostly ethnically Arab. If they got their hands on all of it, they'd control probably 1/3 of the world's oil production by 1970.

Ethnic Arab lands might give them a sway in negotiations for Persian oil fields. It may also rest on Persian mediation, which they most likely will be anti-Russian, and anti-British, due to the fact the Persians want the British, and Russians gone from Persian influence. And the Ottomans and Germans are far more likely to want to recruit them into a trading deal for modern weapons, and infastructure as well.
 
As agrarian life decreases, and urban, and industrial life increases throughout the world, oil becomes more valuable. When the Young Turks start mass industrializing, they will seek oil in their borders. And while Germany and Austria-Hungary would gain capital from Ottomans buying their equipment, even though using German rifles, in a couple of years, they will seek the creation of their own rifles. When the Ottomans finish the majority of their industrialization, while still being a Central Power member, will become more independent, and less dependent on the German Empire.

And if German capital invests in the Ottoman Empire, Germany probably benefits more than if they asked for reparations. The Faster the Ottomans can industrialize, the more it'll help the Germans in the long run.

Although I wouldn't call anyone who disagrees, like Dorknought a racist, I've seen him on other threads, and he's a nice guy. I'm Turkish, and I don't consider what he, or what anyone else said racist, just constructive criticism.

I think you're overestimating the speed at which and inputs required for the Empire to mass industrialize. Particularly since it will be facing competition from already-established German and British industries, the former at least they can't effectively impliment protectionist measures against for political reasons, the fact that you still have a rather illiterate and poorly educated populace, weak infastructure, ect., and its not just a matter of the Turks pumping their money into building factories. There's also the matter of changing culture to convince populations to abandon their traditional ways of life and move to the cities; a problem with an ethnically diverse nation with large chunks of the population still being semi-nomadic and speaking a wide variety of tounges. What industry they do have also can't be dedicated to building up mass infastructure, new factories, a full arms industry, more efficent resource extraction equipment, modernize agriculture, ect. all at the same time: focus on one area is going to suck limited industrial capacity, capital, and technical expertise from other fields. That's not to say the Ottomans CAN'T industrialize; simply that it'll be a matter of 2-3 generations over the course of 4-5 decades, assuming no major economic disrputions that put them back.
 

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Oil was not as value as now but every cent count and yeah and an advantage Germany and AH will have is the ottomans will have to buy all the early capital tools and expertise from them, pretty easi germans and Austrians firm will benefit of the ottoman empire economical growth and with all their rivals(Russia, GB, France and their minorities they pushed) defeated they can focus full time economics, but debts and other things are real and will take time to get back online(like 5-10 years, rather forever like people think here...that is racist)
Okay.

Before I proceed, there has been what seems to be a clearly laid out, facts & figures based, explanation for a statement. I strongly recommend that you either

A) demonstrate that the data is incorrect with similar concrete data

OR

B) apologize for making an entirely unsupported accusation of racism.

You have until this time tomorrow to do one or the other.
 
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