my own southern victory series

JoeMulk

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So i've been toying around with my own idea for a southern victory series. If I have anytime on my hands to do the research I might flesh it out in greater detail but until then i'll give some of my detailed thoughts.

The civil war lasts longer then in TL-191, the POD is Gettysburg where a confederate victory at the round tops sets the Union Army in full retreat. The CSA captures Philadelphia a few days later followed by Baltimore and ends up occupying most of Maryland while threatening to attack Washington DC.

Since Lincoln has already signed the emancipation proclamation making the war about slavery England refuses to grand the confederacy diplomatic recognition but France and Spain do leading to a long-term alliance. In a peace treaty the confederates get Maryland and Kentucky and the US capital is moved to Philadelphia. Over the rest of the nineteenth century the Confederates build up a colonial empire in the carribean and Mexico. At the same time the United States begins moving leftward and elects several socialist presidents. While the confederates enter into an alliance with France, Spain and Russia the US remains neutral. The United Kingdom does as well. On one hand they want to maintain good relations with the United States and not openly support the CSA but at the same time they want to maintain the cotton trade that the Confederacy provides.
 
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Question: Why is Mexico always taken over in these scenarios? By at best an equal power no less? It's cliched and it makes no sense. Mexico is currently ruled by a French puppet, invading them means declaring war on France and abandoning any possible alliance with them. And the republican Juaristas the French were fighting would not have sold themselves out to a foreign power nor were they pushovers that'd let the CSA of all countries conquer them. I'm one of those bizarre people (by this site's standards at least) that thinks the CSA actually had a shot of winning the ACW with all the fully seceeding states and Kentucky, but this is going too far. It's like a window into the ancient past of 2008 or something where these scenarios were common.
 

JoeMulk

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In 1914 following the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand the Complex alliance system of Europe leads to a war. Spain, France and the Confederate states of America fight Germany on the western front. Germany and Austria-Hungary fight the Russians in the east. The United States remains neutral with sympathies strongly in favor of the central powers. President Roosevelt is eager to have the United States enter the war but he knows that public opinion is largely opposed. So the United States quietly fights the confederacy in different ways, by making backhanded deals with Cuban and Mexican rebels fighting the Confederate colonial occupation government. In 1916 rebels in Cuba rise up easily with most CSA troops in France and effectively throw out the colonists. The Confederates were in the middle of a major offensive and could not spare any men so they were forced to effectively let the Cubans go.

In the autumn of 1916 Germany is defeated. Kaiser Willhelm II is forced to abdicate and his son is coronated. There is widespread distrust however and eventually far-right and far-left gangs end up fighting one another in the streets of Berlin. The Kaiserreich tacitly gives its support to the Friekorps and the left is put down as Marshall Law is declared. Meanwhile in Russia and Germany there is a stalemate on the eastern Front and talk of a status quo antebellum. In the United States the instability in Europe has led to a fragile economy and Eugene Debs defeats Theodore Roosevelt in his bid for reelection.

To be continued
 

JoeMulk

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Question: Why is Mexico always taken over in these scenarios? By at best an equal power no less? It's cliched and it makes no sense. Mexico is currently ruled by a French puppet, invading them means declaring war on France and abandoning any possible alliance with them. And the republican Juaristas the French were fighting would not have sold themselves out to a foreign power nor were they pushovers that'd let the CSA of all countries conquer them. I'm one of those bizarre people (by this site's standards at least) that thinks the CSA actually had a shot of winning the ACW with all the fully seceeding states and Kentucky, but this is going too far. It's like a window into the ancient past of 2008 or something where these scenarios were common.

Thanks for the critique, i'll have to do more research into this aspect of the story.
 
While am at it how do they colonize the Caribbean when most of it has already been colonized by Britain, France, and Spain, nations that are supposed to be their allies? Are all 3 of these countries afflicted with some plague that makes their leaders go mad and sign over their possessions to some English-speaking version of Brazil?
 

Anaxagoras

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It's a different alliance system. The Entree consists of France, Spain, Russia and the CSA and the Central Powers are the same as OTL.

Then why on Earth would a war start in the same year and because of an assassination of the same person as IOTL?
 

JoeMulk

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Then why on Earth would a war start in the same year and because of an assassination of the same person as IOTL?

It could have still happened. I don't see how Austro Hungarian politics would be butterflied so greatly as to prevent the Archduke from being in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914.
 

Anaxagoras

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It could have still happened. I don't see how Austro Hungarian politics would be butterflied so greatly as to prevent the Archduke from being in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914.

Even if he was in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914 (which is extremely unlikely, as he could just as easily have been any place else, or have already died), he got shot because his driver turned down the wrong road and because the shooter had decided to get a sandwich. If that is not going to get butterflied away, nothing is. If you're going to write a good TL, you have to account for the fact that everything (and I mean everything) is going to be very, very different from what it was IOTL. Even the weather is going to change.
 

JoeMulk

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Dude, the guy got shot because his turned down the wrong road and because the shooter had decided to get a sandwich. If that is not going to get butterflied away, nothing is.

If you're going to write a good TL, you have to account for the fact that everything (and I mean everything) is going to be very, very different from what it was IOTL. Even the weather is going to change.

I'll admit that I am kind of taking the Harry Turtledove method heh.
 

JoeMulk

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you can move this to Before, I have a bad habit of reflexively posting everything in After 1900 since thats when most of my stuff has its POD.
 
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