Mutiple North American Nations

Which nations could have formed on the North American continent up to the present, which are not secession states of the USA, Canada or Mexico?
I think of

  1. French dominated Quebec; never included to Cananda
  2. French Louisiana; never sold
  3. Iroquois Confederacy; European nations hindering each other to interrupt development
  4. New Amsterdam; no Anglo-Dutch Wars
  5. Maya; failed conquest
  6. Aztecs, failed conquest
Do you know any other?
 
I'd say Quebec is the most likely. Louisiana would be overran by the Americans sooner or later. The Iriquois Confederacy, maybe but it would depend on the outcome of the Revolution or if there was one to begin with.

7) Florida
8) Cherokee Nation
9) California
10) Pacific Republic
11) Newfoundland/Vinland?
 
I'd say Quebec is the most likely. Louisiana would be overran by the Americans sooner or later. The Iriquois Confederacy, maybe but it would depend on the outcome of the Revolution or if there was one to begin with.

7) Florida
8) Cherokee Nation
9) California
10) Pacific Republic
11) Newfoundland/Vinland?

7. Spanish Florida becoming an independent nation. That sounds good.
8. Never heard about it, but with weaker Europeans all native Americans could build states
9. Native American California? Otherwise it would be a secession state of Mexico.
10. Russian? Sorry, I'm not so familiar with American History.
11. I think here the native had to be weaker and IMO overused

republic of Texas. It was a real thing

But wasn't it a secession state of Mexico?


13. Virginia with surviving French and Dutch colonies
 
Ah, the Republic of the Pacific; it was an idea cooked up by Thomas Jefferson. An independent state in the Oregon country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_Pacific#History

And you never heard of the Cherokee? They are one of five of what the white man called 'civilized tribes'. The tribe was in the south-east.



7. Spanish Florida becoming an independent nation. That sounds good.
8. Never heard about it, but with weaker Europeans all native Americans could build states
9. Native American California? Otherwise it would be a secession state of Mexico.
10. Russian? Sorry, I'm not so familiar with American History.
11. I think here the native had to be weaker and IMO overused



But wasn't it a secession state of Mexico?


13. Virginia with surviving French and Dutch colonies
 
An Aztec state that fends off Cortez could potentially aid most N American tribes, leading to eventual modern states. The most likely candidates might be Tecumseh's Confederacy, the Cherokee and Creek Confederacies, the Natchez, and perhaps Apacheria and Dinetah (Navajo nation) who both might've become allies to an expanded Aztec nation much like the neighboring nations IOTL became the Triple Alliance.

Over time you might also see nationalism developing among the Plains tribes perhaps as a response to both European and Aztec pressures.

And if you go far back enough in time to when Polynesians came to N America, they settled in among tribes in Mexico and British Columbia. If a greater migration came they might develop states along the lines of Hawaii's monarchy.
 
An Aztec state that fends off Cortez could potentially aid most N American tribes, leading to eventual modern states. The most likely candidates might be Tecumseh's Confederacy, the Cherokee and Creek Confederacies, the Natchez, and perhaps Apacheria and Dinetah (Navajo nation) who both might've become allies to an expanded Aztec nation much like the neighboring nations IOTL became the Triple Alliance.

Over time you might also see nationalism developing among the Plains tribes perhaps as a response to both European and Aztec pressures.

And if you go far back enough in time to when Polynesians came to N America, they settled in among tribes in Mexico and British Columbia. If a greater migration came they might develop states along the lines of Hawaii's monarchy.

I don't see why the Aztecs would aid Native Tribes in north america. I think it would be much more likely that the Aztecs would try to conquer those tribes before they aid them. It is not as if the Aztecs have some racial alliance against the White Man. That is if the Aztecs have a long enough reach to even cross those areas. I am pretty sure there are alot of tribes between them and the North American (plain?) tribes that could easily defeat the Aztecs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_Yanga

I would argue with the idea of Succession in an essentially wild landscape. Like what if black slaves in Mexico decided to go maroon and start up a palenque. This act of rebellion is not quite succession because instead breaking away apart of Spanish territory they instead are founding their own town far off in the jungle. Away from the sovereign territory of Spain. The black slaves elect a King from an African royal house hold and bang a new nation in North America.

Now this occured many times historically, but over time these new entities were reintegrated into New Spain. But this unlike reintegrating the South after the civil war, was dealing with a totally foreign culture and political system (elective monarchy).

Nations in North America I would suggest:

Kingdom of New Mbundu (united slave state with capital of Veracruz)
Holy Kingdom of Deseret (Mormons)
Metis Confederacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metis_Confederacy)
Osage Nation (oil tycoon natives?)
Seminole Nation (mixed black and native republic of the swamps)
Tecumseh's confederation (napoleon of the North America)
 
Republic of New England

United States of America

Confederate States of America

Republic of Texas

Republic of California

Quebec

Dominion of Canada

Dominion of Newfoundland

Peoples Republic of Mexico

Edit - Invictus
 
The Republic of Oregon.

Britain and the U.S. extend the joint occupation rather than OTL's partition. Over time, with settlement, the Oregon remains a bone of contention, with both nation's seeking to incorporate it into their respective holdings/nation, but, as means to avert war, they leave it to the actual inhabitants to decide. The inhabitants could choose the "third rail" and form their own independent republic and cut uniform trade terms with both the U.S. and Britain to balance things out and maintain independence and good terms with both powers.

Sort of what Kiat suggested above, but I wonder if it could ever grow to the size of envisioned by Cascadia enthusiasts without some serious PODs.

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It would make for an intriguing political entity though.

Couple of others:

The Republic of Virginia:

Take the initial grant to the Virginia company, have them expand throughout the Chesapeake region and southwards to OTL's Georgia/Florida border and west to the south bank of the Ohio River and east bank of the Mississippi River. Possibly acquire West Florida.


The Antillia Confederation:

The Islands of the Greater Antilles plus some of the closer Lesser Antilles.
 
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although it would be mostly dominant in South America, some sort of Incan state could resist the Spanish and conquer portions of modern Panama
 
Could we have these as being in addition to secession states. Texas may not have been able to survive, but even if it's not a US state, California's going to bring in the 49s, and the nation would have a great head start.
 
I always like to think of alternate founding of cities.
For example: New York
Dutch Founded: New Amseterdam
English Founded: Hudsonia
French Founded: Verrazzanus (along those lines)

So that could be one idea for this. However, with modern balkanization, people go by state lines. I like to go by megalopolises, but that is not what this thread is about.
 
1. I don't see why the Aztecs would aid Native Tribes in north america. I think it would be much more likely that the Aztecs would try to conquer those tribes before they aid them. It is not as if the Aztecs have some racial alliance against the White Man.

2. That is if the Aztecs have a long enough reach to even cross those areas.

3. I am pretty sure there are alot of tribes between them and the North American (plain?) tribes that could easily defeat the Aztecs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_Yanga

4. I would argue with the idea of Succession in an essentially wild landscape. Like what if black slaves in Mexico decided to go maroon and start up a palenque. This act of rebellion is not quite succession because instead breaking away apart of Spanish territory they instead are founding their own town far off in the jungle. Away from the sovereign territory of Spain. The black slaves elect a King from an African royal house hold and bang a new nation in North America.

Now this occured many times historically, but over time these new entities were reintegrated into New Spain. But this unlike reintegrating the South after the civil war, was dealing with a totally foreign culture and political system (elective monarchy).

Nations in North America I would suggest:

Kingdom of New Mbundu (united slave state with capital of Veracruz)
Holy Kingdom of Deseret (Mormons)
Metis Confederacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metis_Confederacy)
Osage Nation (oil tycoon natives?)
Seminole Nation (mixed black and native republic of the swamps)
Tecumseh's confederation (napoleon of the North America)

1. Because they fear European nations forming an alliance with those tribes to try and destroy their nation, much like the Spaniards did IOTL with Tlaxcalans and others. Part of that "aid" may include designs on getting these nations to pay tribute and swear loyalty. Conquest wasn't practiced on the same terms as Europeans, ie absolute political domination.

2. They originally migrated from just south of those same areas, and may have traded with tribes as far away as the Mississippi/Ohio Valley.

3. Not if they adopt Euro tech learned from Spanish captives.

4. I don't think there's any completely "wild" part of Mexico since it's heavily populated in TTL. But a maroon community seems quite possible.

The Osage didn't become (slightly) wealthy from oil until fairly late, early 20th cen. And then they were swindled quite a bit, sometimes even murdered for their wealth. In modern terms the average Osage probably just barely got six figures from oil.
 
Yes, the Kingdom of Cascadia, a constitutional monarchy. I'll be the King. I'll enter a room, and everybody will go 'All Hail Kiat', and I'll respond with 'All Hail Myself!'
 
Republic of Alaska. Russian oriented. It's details depend on time of independence. Pre-1918, Independence gained either through peaceful (Canada, India) or Revolutionary (USA) means. 1918-1990, Breakway state from The USSR. Post 1990, Former Soviet State.
 
Alaskan Soviet Socialist Republic? Wow... I think I just blew a fuse in my mind.


Republic of Alaska. Russian oriented. It's details depend on time of independence. Pre-1918, Independence gained either through peaceful (Canada, India) or Revolutionary (USA) means. 1918-1990, Breakway state from The USSR. Post 1990, Former Soviet State.
 
Yeah I know the butterflies hurt me as well, but I thought it would be cool to make a map showing North America if the nations suggested on this Thread were all in existence by 2009 (Yeah yeah I know. ASB)


LEGEND.

Orange: Alaskan Republic

Sun Yellow: Aztec Empire

Mustard Yellow: New Netherland

Pale Brown: República de la Florida

Light Brown: Iroquois Confederacy

Brown: Republic of Texas

Lime Green: California Republic

Forest Green: United States of America

Green: Mayan Empire

Sky Blue: Republic of the Pacific (Cascadia)

Light Blue: L'État du (State of) Québec

Dark Blue: Confederate States of America

Purple: République de la Louisiane

Pink: Republic of Virginia

Light Grey: Cherokee Nation

Dark grey: Dominion of Canada

Maroon: Dominion of Newfoundland

Dark Red: Union of New England

Light Red: People's Republic of Mexico.


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*Awaits criticism*

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