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Mussolini tried to flee to Spain, via Switzerland, but was captured and shot by partisans before he could. What if he instead successfully fled to Spain? What do Franco and the Allies do?
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Hungarian war criminal Horthy managed to survive in Spain. But true is he was leader of one of these not much important central European countries.
I eas under impression he was at least shortly living in Spain too. Well if I was mistaken it wouldn’t be for a first time.Actually, he went into exile in Portugal.
Hungarian war criminal Horthy managed to survive in Spain. But true is he was leader of one of these not much important central European countries.
Well Hungary under his watch was 1st at least semi independent country to start deportations! In summer 1941, shortly after Operation Barbarossa started some 15-20 thousand Jews were deported to already occupied parts of Ukraine. There most of them were killed by German EG.To the best of my knowledge he wasn't responsible for the holocaust in Hungary unlike Tiszo and Tuka were in Slovakia (holocaust in Hungary started in his overthrowal by Germany under the Szalaszi government).
iso’s regime started deportations in March 1942. At the time to provide labor to Germans and for resettlement. How much they really know what Germans were doing I am not sure.
Honestly Tiso and Horrhy in my opinion are on same level. Both of them should either hang or at least end up in prison for long time. And definitely they shouldn’t get funeral with honors as Horthy got in 90-ties.
Anyway, as far as Tiso was leader at the time deportations started, he ended up “with his ass on the hook” as you called it not because of it.
Well Hungary under his watch was 1st at least semi independent country to start deportations! In summer 1941, shortly after Operation Barbarossa started some 15-20 thousand Jews were deported to already occupied parts of Ukraine. There most of them were killed by German EG.
Did I say he was clueless about deportations? I am saying that deportations were not main point of charges against him.Trust me they knew; they definitely knew that the Jews of Slovakia weren't being given hot chocolate.
Tiso was a cleric fascist. He represented a strong vein of Catholic clerical antisemitism that's been present for millennium, poisoning the minds of millions (including Tiso's future boss the Fuhrer).
Tiso gave a speech btw in Holic telling Slovaks to 'cast off your parasites". I can only imagine what he meant.
Yeah eastern Europe certainly has major problems with fascist nationalistic revisionism.
And Boleslaw Beirut was leader of Poland when communism took over Poland, not because of it.
Hitler was the leader at the time Kristallnacht took place, not because of it.
Jefferson Davis was leader of the Confederacy when it happened, not because of it.
Jesus Christ how clueless do you think he was? I'm not condemning the Slovak nation to purgatory but let's be honest with ourselves and admit that the first independent Slovak state of the 20th century was governed by anti-Semitic fascist nationalists who were chums with Adolf Hitler. Marian Kotleba has a following for a reason.
I believe Tiso's Slovakia was the first Nazi ally to agree to deportations (this was during February of 1942). Though Belgrade under Milan Nedic's Serbia was the first city to be declared Judenfrei.
One has to remember Tiso was put into power by Hitler while Horthy was in power before Hitler came to power. Anyone put into power by Hitler will be an anti-Semitic evil loon. The Hungarian Tiso and Tuka was Ferenc Szalasi, who is worshipped by the far right in Hungary (Jobbik).
He also extradited Pierre Laval I think ?Franco would extrade Mussolini to Allies. He is smart enough to know that Mussolini in Spain would be big problem to his regime.
Maybe He tries to flee further to South America Like Ante Pavelic . But He is too Well known and has no chance to escape unnoticed even dressed Up.Mussolini considered fleeing to Spain but instead decided fleeing to Germany which ended up in him getting captured and hanged. What if he instead successfully fled to Spain? What do Franco and the Allies do?
Though Belgrade under Milan Nedic's Serbia was the first city to be declared Judenfrei.
One has to remember Tiso was put into power by Hitler while Horthy was in power before Hitler came to power. Anyone put into power by Hitler will be an anti-Semitic evil loon. The Hungarian Tiso and Tuka was Ferenc Szalasi, who is worshipped by the far right in Hungary (Jobbik).
This part is factually wrong. The first places to be declared judenfrei were Luxemburg and the country of Estonia. Belgrade came later.
And the holocaust against Jews in occupied Serbia was carried out by the Wehrmacht (90%) and the SS (10%), not by any native collaborationist structures.
Tiso was also not exactly put into power by Hitler, he was de facto leader of autonomous (de facto pretty much independent) Slovakia before the creation of the Slovak Republic. This is one of the reasons why I personally equate Tiso with Horthy. They were leaders of far-right regimes but ultimately represented that regime's less radical wing.
Belgrade was the first city in Europe to be declared judenfrei. That’s what I said. Not Serbia as a whole, just Belgrade. That’s what I’ve read at least.
His regime was more like Pavelic’s and Hirthy’s in the sense that it had a suffficient support base unlike Nedic’s or Szalazi but he was a fascist puppet who shared Hitler’s intense anti Semitism.
I’d put Tiso one step further over Horthy. Szalasi level.