Muslim World: The True Faith Timeline

the problem between arabs and non-arabs is likely to lead to a revolution
yes but to replace the entire dynasty are you sure? They are doing a good job at leading then ummah and this would have to have some effects as there job is protect and lead the ummah which they are doing well on a broad view.
 
yes but to replace the entire dynasty are you sure? They are doing a good job at leading then ummah and this would have to have some effects as there job is protect and lead the ummah which they are doing well on a broad view.
This problem led to a question of the legitimacy of the umayyads, it's in the Quran that there is no inequality between arabs and non-arabs, the umayyads simply pushed this law away and lived their lives, this gave a strong questioning of their legitimacy
 
its going to be weird with islam in the west they expanding so much they doubtless running out of muslims who actually know the religion to keep doctrinal unity so more localised islam until imans and scholars are sent to the area.
 
its going to be weird with islam in the west they expanding so much they doubtless running out of muslims who actually know the religion to keep doctrinal unity so more localised islam until imans and scholars are sent to the area.
yeah that is true while i dont think the umayes will conquer to much do to logistic at least its neighboors can become muslims
 
yeah that is true while i dont think the umayes will conquer to much do to logistic at least its neighboors can become muslims
With locals in the west freely converting and light rule from arab overlords the local rulers will have more cultural effect. So instead of franks adopting arabic names they will still be french names just islamised a bit.
 
With locals in the west freely converting and light rule from arab overlords the local rulers will have more cultural effect. So instead of franks adopting arabic names they will still be french names just islamised a bit.
true but still pepin can still do soemthing and if charlagmane comes poor islamic france

the west frankish kingdom will fall but the i doudt that they would get to east francia in austrasia
do to many reasons

i can see the kick star of the franksish reconquista by pepin and by 12 th century the normans and crusaders could kick them out of france
 
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With locals in the west freely converting and light rule from arab overlords the local rulers will have more cultural effect. So instead of franks adopting arabic names they will still be french names just islamised a bit.
Yes, locals who have a significantly strong native culture, generally when converting to Islam become something more drawn to their native culture mixed with arabic than pure arabic, so yes, we will see a mix of french and arabic (more drawn to the french)
 
true but still pepin can still do soemthing and if charlagmane comes poor islamic france

the west frankish kingdom will fall but the i doudt that they would get to east francia in austrasia
do to many reasons

i can see the kick star of the franksish reconquista by pepin and by 12 th century the normans and crusaders could kick them out of france
I can also see it, but by the sake of the timeline obviously this will not happen :p
 
I can also see it, but by the sake of the timeline obviously this will not happen :p
Yeah sometimes it has to be a little less realistic for the timeline sakes
Because I have discussed this in other forums a vicotory at tours does not equal to Muslims domination of every single part of Europe
 
Prologue: Chapter 12
Muslim World

The Muslim Side: Paris est Submersi!

May 4, 741 - Paris
After the transition is successfully completed, the attacks on Paris return to their regularity, and the walls of Paris begin to suffer greater damage by the new encircling machines. Not long after, Uqba orders the shots to go to a city gate, with the purpose of causing it to collapse. This causes a false sense of tranquility to the troops of the walls, with the diminution of the attacks to the same ones. With this, Carloman predicts that a muslim assault is coming, and has his soldiers prepare themselves for the attack.

May 31, 741 - Paris
At the beginning of the day a huge noise echoed over the troops on the walls that were being prepared for an assault, 45 Muslims were able to enter the gates. This instantly shocks the entire frankish army, with Carloman sending about 100 troops to defend the gate. At the same time, muslim troops were climbing the walls to take advantage of the destabilization of Carloman's troops. The reaction is chaotic, with many troops not knowing where to defend and Carloman himself not knowing much to do. The frankish troops falling one by one in the middle of the disorder, until a moorish soldier finds Carloman's body on a ladder in the north-east walls, he killed himself instead of the disgrace of surrender.

After two days of plundering and looting of the city, Uqba and his troops feel as if they have finished with the franks once and for all.

June 6, 741 - Paris
After sending troops to subjugate the northern territories of the franks, Uqba receives a message warning of the destruction of the army of Grifo, Uqba is frightened, since Grifo had only gone to search for Pepin. Uqba realizes that he still has serious problems to take care of, and warns his officers that he will be moving to Burgundy, and end once and for all with open resistance. This will be the decisive battle, which will define the fact of both in this war.
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The Frankish Side: The Battle of Auxone

May 2, 741 - Besançon
Besançon falls after the assault planned by Pepin succeed, with the muslim troops surrendering the city after the successful attack of Pepin. After 3 days of rest, the troops begin their march towards Dijon.

May 5, 741 - Plains of Auxone
A great force appears in front of the frankish troops, Pepin is intercepted by his traitor half-brother, Grifo, who soon takes the initiative with a great frontal attack of its infantry, the franks take the defensive and position their shields against the enemy offensive.

The "big" attack that Grifo thought he would destroy (I think you could tell that Grifo was a commander of very poor quality) Pepin's army is completely repelled, with his tired troops not being able to pierce the frankish defenses. Soon after, they are pursuited by the frankish heavy cavalry, resulting in a rapid fall in the morale of the troops, along with the counterattack of the rest of Pepin's troops results in a rapid fall of the army of Grifo.

Until Grifo personally commanded a small cavalry unit with the intention of starting a recovery of his army, where in his charge, he is killed and any leftover cohesion ends up in the army, with the same being totally destroyed by Pepin. Soon after the victory, Pepin returns on his way to Dijon, where he will find a late, but unpleasant surprise. The path to the decisive battle was traced.
 
Prologue: Chapter 13
Muslim World

The Frankish Flame Goes Out: The Battle of Dijon and the Death of Pepin, the Resistant

May 13, 741 - Dayjun
Pepin arrives at Dijon and traditionally demands the capitulation of the garrison of 4,600 men in the city, he receives an already expected refusal, soon, he puts siege to the city.

The city had its fortifications strengthened and stockpiled supplies, Pepin knows that it will not be easy to succumb to the city, but it is something he must do. The siege engines begin their work as the catapults fire against the walls.

June 4, 741 - Dayjun
After 3 weeks of siege, the situation was promising, costly? Yes, but promising.

The defenders have already repelled four assaults, but they have incurred large costs in the process, with each assault the franks becoming increasingly close to take the walls. The franks have much more to spend than the defenders, this is also a fact. Pepin believes that the next assault in the city will end with a total victory of his forces. And with that, he can save Paris and the glory of the franks once for all. But a little surprise would come to him.

June 8, 741 - Dayjun
At 5:00 AM, this surprise arrives to Pepin, a large army, counting 42 thousand men, arrives to save the city, in his command, the ultimate saracen, Uqba.

Pepin immediately orders an attack to prevent the total deployment of the enemy troops, however, the troops are quickly repelled and persecuted by the moorish cavalry.

The moorish infantry then positioned itself by pressing the right flank of Pepin's troops, while the arab infantry made the front line against the franks. On the left flank, Pepin got close to an breakthrough, but it was quickly stopped with the return of the moorish cavalry. The rest of the morning would be marked by Pepin's attempts to get a quick definition of the battle, with all of them failing and costing important lives.

Around noon, Uqba realizes that his plan has worked, to make Pepin's forces bleed in the face of the numerical and situational superiority of his forces, Uqba orders a full assault on Pepin's forces. Despite this, the main point of his strength, the cavalry, is dragged into combat with the frank cavalry, preventing its full use.

The pressure despite the weariness is insured well by the Franks, but despite this, the most experienced moorish cavalry was out of action thanks to the frankish knights leaving them occupied, that was a decisive factor in the sucess of the franks.

At 3:00 PM the arabs were almost able to breakthrough the right flank, but the brave men guarding it would not easily succumb, with a bloody battle beginning for the control of the right flank. Uqba then sends more men to press the same.

Shortly afterwards, a new fighter emerges, the moorish cavalry, finally succeeding in getting rid of its outspoken counterpart, Pepin's terror was on the field, and then they launch into a charge against Pepin's left flank. Pepin's situation was not totally lost but certainly not good, with blood coming out on the right flank and the left flank suffering to not be razed by the moorish cavalry, using the squares was not so valuable with his troops not being the great soldiers who fought in Barcelona and Carcassone, but peasants who united fearing Muslim rule, despite this, he know that this was the real reason the frankish troops did not collapse, they know what their defeat will bring and want to prevent it at any cost, while a decisive blow not be done, this battle will not be decided so soon.

However, at about 5:20 PM, this decisive blow seems to have arrived, descending from the walls, the garrison of Dijon attacks the frank rear, which quickly succumbs to the unexpected attack. Both flanks collapse and from a patriotic battle and last stand against the muslims, it all becomes a sore bloodbath. Pepin is killed in the process, and at the end of the day, a moorish soldier surrenders his body to Uqba, who orders a burial to him. Speaking the following words: "Brave men have to be recognized for their deeds, this is an example of a brave, devout and respectable man. I would like to have time to talk to him, but franks always bring armies to meet me, what choice do i have other than to defeat them?"

And so, Uqba is appointed to temporary governor of Al-Faransa until one appointed by the Caliph is commanded, the old lombard territories are invaded by the Byzantines shortly after the news of the frank defeat spread. But this also puts the descendants of Rome on the alert, with one of the first acts of Constantine V being the preparation for a future counter-offensive against the muslim expansionists.
 
*Meanwhile, in the near future...*

16XX, Rome.

"The wall have been breached"

"We cant hold them back, the 3rd Swiss Foot Guard can barely contain them!"

Antonio, Captain of the Holy Militia take a deep breath. 'How could it go into this way?', he wondered. 'Those damn far-east Mohamedian barbarian barely have winter coat, mostly were "donated" by the Turk, their body were smaller than us and using that weird dagger* as weapon beside musket. The damn Pope and the rest of clergy are nowhere to be seen'.

"Enemy sighted! They're coming and forming a firing line. Capt-agughlggh" a tower sentry have been shot down by arrow before he can finished his word.
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Parameswara look at the enemy and say, "Musketeer, take aim" and the rest of his men follow.
"Mak kau hijau!**(yo mama is green!)"

"Mak kau hijau!" His men laugh

"All rank, fire!"

*Bang**bang**bang**bang*

Shot were fired, the suprised and panicked militia can barely form a firing line to exchange shot were cut down by the Malacca's volley fire.


*keris/kris
**old viral stuff:biggrin:
 
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Im still unsure how this fitna will work? Still the umayyad successes will mean they will have support and abbasids cant just murder them like they did otl, so will france and hispania remain loyal to the umayyads?
 
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