Muslim Slavic Nation

They prefer them under Dhimmi status right?

Kinda sorta not exactly. IIUC, the _jizya_ -- the poll tax on non-Muslims -- wasn't a big moneymaker for the Ottomans. Rather, they prohibited most non-Muslims from joining the military, then taxed people who didn't in lieu of military service.

Also IIUC, civil servants above a certain level were immune from most forms of taxation. Which provided a powerful motivation for members of religious minorities to join the civil service, if they could. That's why by the years around 1800, most ministers and senior bureaucrats were Christians, most commonly Phanariot Greeks.

Also, none of this applies to the last 50 years of the Ottoman Empire. They got rid of most formal, legal discrimination in the 1840s and '50s; by the time of the Balkan Wars, there were small but significant numbers of non-Muslims serving in the armed forces.


Doug M.
 
1) Somehow have the pre-Christian Rus trade more with Persia than Byzantium. They'll pick up less Byzantine and more Persian cultural influences, and might wind up converting to Islam. (I think "Mullaf of Kiev" has something like this-as mentioned, its on this site)

2) As mentioned previously, have the Golden Horde or Khanate of Crimea survive and convert the Ukrainians.

3) Somehow have the Ottoman Empire permanently loose Anatolia. Without a largely Muslim power base, it puts more effort into converting the Balkans. Cut off from its Turkic homeland, its ruling class gradually assimilates into the emerging Islamo-Slavic culture.
Let this go on for a couple centuries, and viola-Muslim Slavic state!
 
One Word: Gradaščević

As per Wikipedia, he backed away from the Jannisary uprising that was the inital excuse for the 1820s rebellion. Let is say he has a mild head injury and instead of fighting to keep the old power structure under the local grandees decides to try coopting the peasentry.

If it works we could have a state (and a more prosperous one than Serbia I may add) where movement up the social ladder is facilitated by conversion to Islam... and thus....

Not on par with Persia, but respectable (esp. if they get Vienna to back them up).

HTG
 
As others have mentioned, there is my TL, the Muallaf of Kiev which, after it gets the initial set up and big changes, will flow a bit faster.

And Mirza was correct- TTL's Russia will be looking to Persia, not to Byzantium. It is an effect of the Rus conversion, however, not a cause.
 
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Don Grey

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The problem there is that the Ottomans didn't like to do this. They liked to conquer Christian populations, maybe convert a few big landowners and lords -- and leave the rest as landless tenant peasants providing a tax base.

To simplify, Muslims were soldiers while Christians paid taxes. So converting all the Christians would have rendered the Ottoman Empire ungovernable.

This is why, as late as the early 20th century -- nearly eight hundred years after the Turks took over -- Anatolia was still around 25% Christian. Turkey-in-Europe, meanwhile, was always majority Christian.

Now, you could have the Ottomans decide to behave like the Abbasid Caliphs and start trying to convert everyone they conquered. But this would be a fairly huge POD, resulting in a dramatically different -- and probably unrecognizable -- Ottoman Empire.


Doug M.

I dont know how it would make it ungovernable and the religion tax was not there only source of revanue. If the ottomans actualy tride to convert every body that would have fixed there pop problam and garantied hold on the areas. The return they would get from the increasement of of potential troops would be far greater then that little religion tax. Plus it would help the governing aswell muslims tended to be more loyal and with the increased man power governing would be easyer .More troops avaliable for garrosining far flong territories just and example. The only reason they didnt try to convert every body was because of islamic law all they could do is ask for a small tax in exchange not to fight in the army. And i dont know how it would be unrecognizable.

As for a the OP. Pick a south slave nation/region from the balkans have the ottomans convert them all or something of the sort then when they lose it you will have a slavic muslim nation(if the balkan christians dont wipe them out ofcourse). As the ottomans were the only major muslim people slavic had contact with save for the tatars but i not sure they could do this.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
A way to get a Muslim Slavic nation are having the Ottomans being driven completely out of Anatolia by Tamerlane, maybe with the platou being depopulated. The Ottomans isolated on the Balkans doesn't make any great expansion but slowly are integrated into the local Slavic population, whom adopt Islam. When the Ottomans has stabilised and begin to expand again the newly converted Bulgarians serve as the main Islamic population of the empire.
 
That says "vodka", not "Bosnia."
I'm well aware of that. But if you can have millions of muslim slavs (whatever they're drinking), you can have 10s of millions.

I don't know what the consumption of slivovitz (sp?) is among the muslims compared to RC Croats and Orthodox Serbs, but the very significant conversion to Islam in Bosnia proves it's possible.
 
I'm well aware of that. But if you can have millions of muslim slavs (whatever they're drinking), you can have 10s of millions.

I don't know what the consumption of slivovitz (sp?) is among the muslims compared to RC Croats and Orthodox Serbs, but the very significant conversion to Islam in Bosnia proves it's possible.
But you see, all Slavs are the same.

Therefore, all Slavs are Russians.

Therefore, all Slavs are always drunk and always drinking vodka with one hand and have a broken bottle of vodka in the other hand which they use to fight off bears.

Therefore Bosnians cannot be Slavs if they are Muslim.
 
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