Music WI: Heavy Metal Sound, Twenty Years Early

IOTL, Heavy Metal started evolve when musicians were doing a lot of musical experimenting, and technology had come far enough to create better amps, that were both louder and better suited for using feedback in a way that didn't suck. By the time all this was going on, rock was already a well established and popular genre, which had all sorts of interesting sub-genres, from which early metal pioneers drew inspiration from.

What I propose is pushing the technological aspects of the development of metal back 20 years, to the mid 40's. During the 40's, music amps existed, but they were crude things that weren't experimented with very much and for some reason were mostly used for steel guitars. And nobody had thought to use feedback in a musical way, that I know of.

In the 40's, rock didn't exist. Instead, Jazz was the main genre, although country, blues, and gospel were around, and all of these had various versions and sub-genres.

So what sort of music would we get if better amps started to become available during the mid 40's, amps that could handle heavy distortion without sounding awful, that were specifically made for solid-body electric guitars (which for the sake of this WI we'll assume see some actual use due to better amps), and could be experimented with easily without resorted to extremely crude tactics like deliberate damage.

For the record, I have no idea what this entails technologically speaking, so it might be ASB. But alternate music scenarios don't seem to get posted that much.
 

MacCaulay

Banned
For the record, I have no idea what this entails technologically speaking, so it might be ASB. But alternate music scenarios don't seem to get posted that much.

Honestly, there's not a lot of change. We still use tubes. I know a guy in Davenport a few miles from where I live that actually has a collection of US Army tubes that are Korean War-vintage that he uses in his amp head.

Honestly, the thing I think that would help is solid state development, which would mean the use of semiconductors.

Also, the use of guitars might be a blind alley anyway: If you had stuff that we know now as Midi coming earlier, say...in time for the Beach Boys' Pet Sounds, then a lot of interesting effects might start happening.
 

mowque

Banned
Honestly, there's not a lot of change. We still use tubes. I know a guy in Davenport a few miles from where I live that actually has a collection of US Army tubes that are Korean War-vintage that he uses in his amp head.

If I recall, tubes are used in the VERY high end stuff.
 
Honestly, there's not a lot of change. We still use tubes. I know a guy in Davenport a few miles from where I live that actually has a collection of US Army tubes that are Korean War-vintage that he uses in his amp head.

Amps in the 40's didn't come in guitar specific varieties, for one. Consequently there wasn't a large use of solid-body electric guitars. Amps at the time also had very lower power, and it wouldn't be reasonable to play anything even remotely resembling modern metal with OTL amps from back then due to this. I mean, a 50 watt amp is what can be reasonably used now adays for a small gig for a guitar player, and in the 40's you didn't even have 15 watt amps. And we also didn't get any sort of distortion controls until the 60's.

I'm no expert though, so maybe I'm completely wrong. :(
 

MacCaulay

Banned
Amps in the 40's didn't come in guitar specific varieties, for one. Consequently there wasn't a large use of solid-body electric guitars. Amps at the time also had very lower power, and it wouldn't be reasonable to play anything even remotely resembling modern metal with OTL amps from back then due to this. I mean, a 50 watt amp is what can be reasonably used now adays for a small gig for a guitar player, and in the 40's you didn't even have 15 watt amps. And we also didn't get any sort of distortion controls until the 60's.

I'm no expert though, so maybe I'm completely wrong. :(

That's true. I've got little dinky Montgomery Ward amp I use as a harmonica amplifier because it distorts at the drop of a hat.:D

But that's kind of what I was thinking with the solid state stuff. That doesn't limit you as far as what the tubes can handle because you're taking them out of the equation. Of course, there's a lot of handwavium involved there because then we're basically saying "semiconductors in the 1940s! For everyone!".

And a crapload of power usage, as well. We blew a breaker in my house in 2008: lord knows what you'd do running a 4x12 halfstack in some fixer upper with a shoddy fusebox in 1952, you know?
 
Maybe I should have issued this as a challenge. Now I'm interested in how to get semiconductors in the 40's to be so commonplace, you can put them in guitar amps, and then power those amps well enough to produce this sort of sound. :p
 

MacCaulay

Banned
Maybe I should have issued this as a challenge. Now I'm interested in how to get semiconductors in the 40's to be so commonplace, you can put them in guitar amps, and then power those amps well enough to produce this sort of sound. :p

Well, it's going to get that ability to push out a more 70s/80s-style sound. Smoke on the Water, some of Tony Iommi's stuff were solid state.

Though with Tony Iommi, you've got detuned guitar riffs through a completely chance event: he had part of his fingers sliced off in a machining accident and I don't think he could handle the tension on his fingers of the guitar in regular tuning up to E, so it went down to...drop C? I think?
 
Keep in mind I'm not trying to recreate, literally, OTL heavy metal earlier. Rather I'm wondering what sort of music would be created if the instruments and sounds of heavy metal showed up earlier. What would a new generation of music makers do with these amps and instruments when the dominant genres they could pull inspiration from and experiment with are so different from what OTL metal pioneers drew inspiration from?
 
Les Paul was around in the early 50s, Leo Fender made the first telecaster in 1949 or 1950. The baseman amp which was the basis for later Marshall and Mesa amp designs was from this era. Everything for metal was there until the late 60s. When a magazine article described Hendrix's guitar playing as heavy metal falling from the sky they had a name for it.
 
I think both Black Sabbath and Paranoid were done in E, and their third album, Master of Reality was the first in C. I could be wrong though.
 
You might get hard rock and the Who's "Maximum R&B" showing up a bit earlier than it did in OTL.

I couldn't see heavy metal as we would recognise it developing without the presence of the influences that appeared in the sixties, though.
 
Here's a thought, why not get a few big band artists to work with blues artists? Might not create heavy metal early, but rock music could be created earlier.
 
There was music that was totally heavy from the fifties on. See Link Ray's Rumble(1958) or Booker T and the MG's Green Onions(1962) A huge leap happened when it was discovered that Gibson Guitars with high gain P.A.F. pickups,mostly ES-335s and Les Pauls, when plugged into high gain Fender and Marshall amps pushed the preamp into instant crossover distortion. This was from the mid sixties on.

Independent gain and master volumes happened in 1969 as the result of a prank. Without being asked to Randall Smith rewired a friends Fender Princeton with a Bassman circuit, replacing the transformers to boost the wattage to 100 watts. The modified preamp had a second volume running a higher signal into it. This would become the Mesa/Boogie Mark 1. Easier than pushing pencils through amp speakers like Link Ray did.

Hard rock or metal was around pushing in from the outside long before anyone had a name for it. You just need to look for it. The jaw dropping guitar solos of Les Paul in the forties or the detuned 12-string played by Leadbelly in the thirties. Also of note was the absurd conditions placed on black R&B artists in the recording studios in the early fifties. Loose tube in that amp too bad, broken guitar string tough luck. This would have a huge impact on the sound of British invasion. Think Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks, Ect. leading directly to Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Kind of hard to have metal 20 years earlier when it was there all along, it just didn't have a name yet. That's my $0.02.
 
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