David Flin

Gone Fishin'
Here Italy means mainland Italy, Not Sicily right?

My maternal grandfather, a Sicilian, was adamant that Sicily was not Italy. That belief was how he became a Londoner. (He was conscripted into the Italian army in WWI; deserted because he had no intention of serving in an Italian army. But deserting made him look like a coward, so he stepped on an RN warship and volunteered. Few questions were asked. At the end of the war, he unvolunteered where the ship happened to be, by stepping off. That was London, and there he stayed.)
 
My maternal grandfather, a Sicilian, was adamant that Sicily was not Italy. That belief was how he became a Londoner. (He was conscripted into the Italian army in WWI; deserted because he had no intention of serving in an Italian army. But deserting made him look like a coward, so he stepped on an RN warship and volunteered. Few questions were asked. At the end of the war, he unvolunteered where the ship happened to be, by stepping off. That was London, and there he stayed.)
Smart man. Do you take after him?
 

Garrison

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Where will the forces come from ?
From a barely reorganized German airborne force, made up of new recruits backed up by the combat deployment of some 'unique' Luftwaffe aircraft.
Here Italy means mainland Italy, Not Sicily right?
Sicily will be invaded right?
If Sicily will be invaded, will there be butterflies in Case Blue and Stalingrad?
Oh Sicily is and the butterflies are more the other way, that is Case Blue will leave a lot less for Sicily, especially after the impact of the Allied disinformation campaign.
 

Garrison

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Intervention in Tunisia was never going to work, not even for a minute... With the RN, RAF and Royal Army strong in Libya and ready to cross the border.
Yeah, its only real effect is to spook the people in charge in Tunis.
Such great teamwork here. Especially, causing a panic that will hand Tunisia and Algeria to the Free French. Speaking of which, what's the Free French manpower situation?

So after Sicily, it looks like we'll have a long build up for Operation Millennium unless there's any surprise plays in the
Balkans or Scandinavia. If there's no Italian front drawing resources, perhaps Millennium gets to be a simultanious Overlord and Dragoon. Maybe a third set of landings but, I'd be skeptical of the logistical capacity for that.
Yeah there will be a long build up since as you rightly point out even with no Mediterranean campaign its going to take up pretty much everything that can be shipped across the Atlantic. There will be some actions in the Pacific, but in the west Millennium is all consuming.
 
My maternal grandfather, a Sicilian, was adamant that Sicily was not Italy. That belief was how he became a Londoner. (He was conscripted into the Italian army in WWI; deserted because he had no intention of serving in an Italian army. But deserting made him look like a coward, so he stepped on an RN warship and volunteered. Few questions were asked. At the end of the war, he unvolunteered where the ship happened to be, by stepping off. That was London, and there he stayed.)
One wonders how good his English was. But I suppose that wasn't a major concern for the RN at the time.
 
1st January 1942 – 8th March 1942 – The Axis – Part II – Desperate Measures

Garrison

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1st January 1942 – 8th March 1942 – The Axis – Part II – Desperate Measures

Goering had emphatically placed the blame for the failure at Crete on the Italians, which made his embrace of Operation Herkules rather ironic. Far from having given up on the idea of large-scale glider borne forces to carry out assaults the Luftwaffe was thinking of an attack on an even grander scale than Crete, literally in the case of the Me 321 glider. This immense aircraft had been under development since 1940 and formally entered service in 1941. It was a quite incredible aircraft for the period, able to carry up to 200 equipped troops or 20,000 kg cargo. Compare this to the Ju 52, which had a maximum capacity of 18 troops, or 1845 kg of cargo, while the DFS 230 glider used in Crete could carry 9 equipped troops, plus 270 kg of equipment. The Me 321 was an order of magnitude beyond anything else in service. It was also slow and hard to tow, requiring several aircraft acting in co-ordination, or a single purpose built He 111Z. This towing aircraft had two He 111 fuselages connected by a common centre wing section and had five engines in total. This aircraft was only ever produced in very small numbers and for Operation Herkules the Me 321 would have to depend on the ‘Troika-schlepp’, three Bf 110s towing the glider simultaneously, a hazardous and highly demanding procedure. The Me 321 incredibly vulnerable to attack, though in practice able to absorb a great deal of damage and remain flying. It was originally intended to be used to rapidly bring in reinforcements once landing grounds had been seized, though it was going to be in the front line for Operation Herkules [1].

As far as seizing such landing sites and securing an airborne bridgehead Student believed that what was needed was more support weapons, up to and including airborne armour. The Me 321 opened up the possibility of simply landing regular Wehrmacht Panzers, however the idea of a light tank that could fitted into a smaller glider and deployed in the initial assault was also now being advocated. Goering embraced this idea, taken by the idea of the Luftwaffe having its own independent Panzers. What was envisioned was either an adapted Panzer I or II or an assault gun based on one of these vehicles. Some blueprints of such designs had been put forward during 1941 in response to Hitler’s demand for more such vehicles and dismissed as inadequate for the task of supporting infantry. The Allies did also pursue such ideas, with little more success, they however had the industrial capacity to indulge in exploring this idea, the Third Reich did not. Nonetheless with Goering’s influence on German industry these ideas would be dusted off and a full year would be spent refining a design and even building wooden mock-ups, at a time when airborne assaults were no longer a practical proposition for the Wehrmacht [2].

Amid all these bright ideas the practical issues were all but overlooked. The losses among the Ju 52 fleet meant that bombers would have to be used as tow aircraft for the more conventional gliders. While the modifications were not complicated training crews for this new task was, and the diversion of bombers and fighter escorts from other theatres was unwelcome to those focused on the defence of European airspace and the offensive demands of Case Blue. Even worse was that while there were now more Fallschirmjägers than there had been at the time of the attack on Crete these were overwhelming green recruits, barely more than teenagers and with only a thin scattering of experienced NCOs and officers to organize and lead them. These troops were now to be thrown against an island that the British would not readily surrender, with little hope of achieving air superiority and none of controlling the sea lanes [3].

As the time for the launch of Herkules approached Hitler’s attention was focused on Case Blue and the ‘final’ assault on the USSR, meaning that all efforts to have it cancelled or modified considering what was clearly a deteriorating situation in the Mediterranean were brusquely dismissed. Mussolini was at the same time assuring his cabinet and the king that Herkules would turn the tide and if the British and Americans tried to attack Sicily they would be broken against the island’s invincible defences. Mussolini was in practice staking his political survival on this, indeed his very life if things went badly.

Operation Herkules represented a rare example of Axis co-operation, and one that was probably a net gain for the Allies. At the same time the Japanese were pressing ahead with their plans for fresh assaults in South East Asia and the Pacific, showing a profligate disregard for how the weight of numbers was already tilting against them and continuing to insist on attacking on all fronts at the same time. Despite the practical problems faced by Japan the IJA and IJN could hardly bring themselves to co-operate with one another, let alone their foreign Allies. The two branches of the Japanese developed separate, elaborate, overcomplicated, overambitious, plans that simply assumed their counterparts could be argued into providing the men, aircraft, or ships needed to carry them out. Then when such support was either offered in numbers that fell far short of what was needed or outright denied the plans proceeded anyway, still hoping for the victories that would force the USA, and by extension, the British, to make a peace favourable to Japan. Some in the Japanese hierarchy recognized that the USA had been enraged by Pearl Harbor and was determined to avenge the Day of Infamy, with only the desire to crush Germany first limiting their commitment to that goal. This realistic appraisal of the situation was ignored even by those knew it to be true, planning for the final decisive victory continued apace [4].

At the beginning of 1942 realism was in short supply among the members of the Axis. This was perhaps understandable, to embrace reality would certainly mean humiliation for the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. Being overthrown was a threat that none of the Axis leaders could dismiss and none of them were likely to be allowed to live in the event in the event of such a coup. That so many of their subordinates continued to support their grand schemes was not simply a matter of fear that they would follow their masters to the gallows or the firing squad. Especially in Germany and Japan some hoped that the same good fortune that had smiled on them in France or at Pearl Harbor would return and give them a chance to end the war, allowing them to emerge as heroes rather than war criminals, history being written by the victors after all [5].

[1] It’s a terrible idea, but the ‘Gigant’ had to make an appearance somewhere.

[2] I have a very rough design for what this would look like, if it ever saw the light of day.

[3] What could possibly go wrong?

[4] And the consequences of this everywhere all at once approach will be the subject of the next few updates.

[5] You can guess the chances of that happening.
 
I think this one is aimed at Malta, not Crete.

And did I read that right? Tanks, hanging from giant gliders, each being towed by three bombers in tight formation?

I hope there'll be some description of the looks on the British faces when they see this coming.
 

Garrison

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I think this one is aimed at Malta, not Crete.

And did I read that right? Tanks, hanging from giant gliders, each being towed by three bombers in tight formation?

I hope there'll be some description of the looks on the British faces when they see this coming.
Yes the Me 321 and the troika schlepp are real, the He 111z is an even more weird towing option.
ETA: the tanks are inside not hanging beneath, the Me 321s nickname was the 'Gigant' for good reason.
 
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Axis powers in full "This is fine" mode.
4] And the consequences of this everywhere all at once approach will be the subject of the next few updates.
The IJA is getting bogged down in multiple theaters while the IJN can't concentrate it's forces very, with the British on one side and the Americans on the other. They're setting themselves up for defeat in detail during the counterattack.
 

marathag

Banned
2] Probably won’t mean Pershings rolling into France, but probably means that later models of the Sherman arrive sooner.
What some in the US wanted to do, treating the M4 as almost as interim as the M3, taking some of the M6 Heavy drive train and suspension, into a better designed hull, the M4X
 

Garrison

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What some in the US wanted to do, treating the M4 as almost as interim as the M3, taking some of the M6 Heavy drive train and suspension, into a better designed hull, the M4X
I was indeed thinking that an uprated M4 was the most likely outcome of a desire for better US tanks, mostly because McNair and the TD doctrine probably rules out a true heavy, however much some people might want something bigger and nastier than the A24 Churchill. :)
 
I drew this up a few years ago as a request for another member here, it's a Pz.38 (t) with the turret from an Sd.Kfz.234 armoured car armed with a 5cm cannon.
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IMO this would've made an excellent airborne tank, there is actual footage of a Gigant unloading a Pz.38. Unfortunately for the Germans the turret used here wouldn't be designed until 1943 a little late to be used here but I thought I post it here to show a good design was possible.

Claymore liked it so much he scratch built a model of it which I am now the proud owner of. :cool:
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Garrison

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I drew this up a few years ago as a request for another member here, it's a Pz.38 (t) with the turret from an Sd.Kfz.234 armoured car armed with a 5cm cannon.
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IMO this would've made an excellent airborne tank, there is actual footage of a Gigant unloading a Pz.38. Unfortunately for the Germans the turret used here wouldn't be designed until 1943 a little late to be used here but I thought I post it here to show a good design was possible.

Claymore liked it so much he scratch built a model of it which I am now the proud owner of. :cool:
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Yeah, its pretty much the German problem, focused on the next cutting edge weapon rather than making best use of existing technology. ITTL by the time they realize that maybe large scale airborne assaults could use armoured support they no longer have the means to conduct large scale armoured support. I do like the design, could see that being offered as alternative to the airborne assault gun I designed, because of course the Germans also couldn't just pick one design and stick with it.
 
Yeah after the more than likely slaughter of the Me-321 gliders over Malta, the Me-323 will most likely never come into being but you can never really tell with the Nazis, they were a stubborn bunch.
Since it OTL was used to supply Tunisia, what would the Germans use it for ITTL anyway?
 
Either trying to supply forces in the east, or drop some sort of very large bomb, akin to the way C-130s were used to deploy MOAB:

Frankly some very large bomb akin to the British Tallboy seems the sort of thing the Luftwaffe would love.
Tallboys were accurate (for dumb iron) , rolling something out of a ww2 transport not so much ( I'm also dubious it could handle the shift in weight and it was a nose loader I believe, like the British Horsa glider)
 
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