If Monty is SAC SEA, is Mountbatten going to stay as Chief of Combined Operations?
I can't see any reason why not, especially as the British are engaging in a series of major operations, so definitely not the junior partner here.If Monty is SAC SEA, is Mountbatten going to stay as Chief of Combined Operations?
How long before they get to the Seat of the Border County Prefecture in Tonkin?4th April - 27th July 1944 – Indochina – Operation Douaumont - Part II – Liberating Vientiane
In the weeks leading up to the beginning of Operation Douaumont the Japanese removed the Vichy French officials who been forced, to a greater or lesser degree, to carry on in their posts since the Japanese occupation of 1940. These individuals had been required to keep the administration of Indochina running smoothly and maintain the transparent pretence that the colonies had not simply been annexed to the Japanese. With dissolution of Vichy and Anglo-French forces on the brink of invading the Japanese not only dismissed the officials but interned them, in some cases going so far as to execute individuals on the mere suspicion that they might have engaged in any form of resistance activity. Not only did this badly disrupt the running of the colonies at a critical time, but it also failed miserably to cow the increasingly restive native and colonial population. It was seen by many as a clear sign the Japanese were panicking and that the time would soon come to revolt against them. This move also had little effect on the resistance activities in Indochina that so worried the Japanese as the resistance movement was rooted amongst the nationalist elements in the native population, for whom the arrest and execution of colonial officials was hardly a deterrent [1].
It fell to I Burma Corps to carry out the first phase of the operation and when they opened the offensive opened on the 4th of April the Japanese were taken by surprise as the initial thrust was made towards Vientiane in Laos rather than towards Cambodia or Vietnam. Achieving a degree of strategic surprise was an objective in itself for the Allied forces but there were other considerations at work in the decision to target Vientiane. For one a strike into Laos would cut increase the isolation of Japanese forces in Cambodia and Vietnam, weakening their already poor position. There was also however a political dimension to the decision to open the fighting in the north rather than the south. Vientiane lay relatively close to the border with Thailand and with the bulk of the surviving Japanese forces in Thailand having fallen back to the south and the Japanese command expecting Saigon and the port facilities to be the primary target of the Allied offensive, whose scale they consistently underestimated, it was relatively lightly defended. This offered the prospect of a quick French victory, or at least them impression of a French victory as the bulk of their forces were still committed to the attack in the south that wouldn’t begin until the 17th of April. The French leadership had been anxious that there might be a popular uprising in Laos once the attack in the south commenced and if Vientiane was seized by nationalist forces that would not constitute much of an improvement over the Japanese from the French perspective. This was not a viewpoint that garnered much sympathy from the British who felt they had already bent over backwards to accommodate the French role in the operation and a major argument was only headed off by cooler heads emphasizing the strategic value in attacking towards Vientiane before pushing towards Cambodia and making the amphibious assault aimed at Saigon [2].
In addition to the handful of French regiments attached to I Burma Corps there were also three regiments of Thai troops. Two of these were drawn from Thai forces that had been retained to be used as auxiliaries by the Japanese to help maintain order in their homeland. These regiments had suffered large scale desertions as Japanese rule became ever more onerous, but they had provided a cadre to reconstitute the Thai army after the Japanese were ousted and their inclusion in the order of battle was largely aimed at securing the last Japanese holdouts in Thailand and restoring order, which meant ensuring that those who supported the restoration of the pre-war government took control rather than any insurgents or political opponents. These Thai troops took no part in the attack on Vientiane, but they did remove the burden of maintaining lines of communication through Thailand from the British as I Burma advanced. The Japanese attempts to break up or delay the advance when the British attacked these last outpost in Thailand were wholly unsuccessful, given the Japanese lack mobility and air support they were pinned down and bypassed as 1st Cavalry punched through the lines and created a gap through which the rest of I Burma could advance rapidly on Vientiane, where the situation was swiftly descending into chaos as the Japanese found themselves isolated by a combination of guerrilla action and Chindits who had been infiltrated behind their lines in significant number, not to mention constant air attacks by the RAF and RAAF that meant anything much larger than a single soldier leading a pack animal became a target [3].
It was obvious to the Japanese as early as the 7th of April that Vientiane could not be held. The available forces were not strong enough to block the British advance, nor were there forces that could stage a counterattack or relieve the city one the British reached it. The response to this situation by the Japanese was depressingly predicable, ordering the forces concentrated around Laos to stand and fight and to lay waste to the city rather than hand it over to the British or French. Given their bitter experience the British and Indian troops of I Burma were expecting exactly this sort of fanatical defence, however in the case of Vientiane they would be pleasantly surprised as it failed to materialize, largely because of the quality of the Japanese troops who were being called on to fight to the death. Vientiane had fallen without a shot being fired in 1940 and the troops assigned to Laos and its capital had been there to keep the locals in line, not mount a military campaign. Vientiane had been one of the more comfortable billets a Japanese soldier could hope for and given the demands elsewhere the Laotian capital had very much been a place where second and third line troops could be put to use without worrying about such trivial matters as training and discipline, after all no Japanese soldier could expect to be punished for abusing the locals, if anything it was encouraged to help keep them in line. Many of these soldiers were not even from Japan proper, with their ranks being fleshed out by labour battalions that drew manpower from places such as Korea and Okinawa. These were hardly men who were eager to die for the honour of the emperor [4].
Vientiane had been completely flanked and isolated by the 15th of April and the plan now called for thrusts from the north and south led by British forces while the French regiments led an attack from the west. When the initial defensive lines inside the city crumbled the advancing allied troops feared some sort of trap, but it soon became clear that the Japanese forces in the city were disintegrating, once the first units broke the collapse of morale spread rapidly. Far from a determined fight to the finish the city had fallen by the 18th, with large numbers of Japanese prisoners being taken in what was seen as a major humiliation by the Japanese high command. The French raised their flag over the city on the 16th and quickly sought to reassert control, liberating the surviving local administrators the Japanese had interned and putting them back to work, with few questions asked about their loyalty to Vichy or the exact nature of their prior collaboration. These actions would have long term consequences for the French but for the moment the focus was on continuing the push across Laos to reach the Vietnamese coast at Vinh. With the rapid collapse of Vientiane, I Burma still had plenty of momentum to continue operations while the Japanese struggled to create any effective defensive line and the remnants of the Japanese forces in Laos were forced out of the country and pushed back to Vinh by the 22nd of June, effectively cutting Vietnam in half and isolating the defenders in the north from those now engaged in heavy fighting in the south. The offensive in Laos had been far less costly than had been feared and achieved its goals far more quickly than the planners had assumed, which was just as well given the issues that afflicted the drive on Saigon [5].
[1] I wouldn’t go so far as to say they celebrated the death of French officials, but they weren’t mourning them either.
[2] The French are getting increasingly jumpy about the future of their colonies. Mainly they are worried about nationalists, but they also have one eye on the British who are going to have a lot of troops in French territory.
[3] The Japanese really were not expecting a move towards Laos at this point and they are paying the price.
[4] The dregs of the Japanese army in other words.
[5] The French are fighting in Vietnam; it’s bound to go well…
Something tells me anglo-french relations are just going to be a bit strained post-war
[1] I wouldn’t go so far as to say they celebrated the death of French officials, but they weren’t mourning them either.
[2] The French are getting increasingly jumpy about the future of their colonies. Mainly they are worried about nationalists, but they also have one eye on the British who are going to have a lot of troops in French territory.
[3] The Japanese really were not expecting a move towards Laos at this point and they are paying the price.
[4] The dregs of the Japanese army in other words.
[5] The French are fighting in Vietnam; it’s bound to go well…
It will a charming little place the British pass by on their way south.How long before they get to the Seat of the Border County Prefecture in Tonkin?
A complicating factor is that a lot of those 'British' troops in South East Asia are actually Indian and not hugely sympathetic to helping the French re-establish colonial rule. And of course a lot of nationalist movements will be looking to the deal the British have struck in India as an inspiration.Something tells me anglo-french relations are just going to be a bit strained post-war
If De Gualle knows what's good for him, he'll try to strike a similar bargain, but...It will a charming little place the British pass by on their way south.
A complicating factor is that a lot of those 'British' troops in South East Asia are actually Indian and not hugely sympathetic to helping the French re-establish colonial rule. And of course a lot of nationalist movements will be looking to the deal the British have struck in India as an inspiration.
But then he wouldn't be De Gaulle.If De Gualle knows what's good for him, he'll try to strike a similar bargain, but...
If De Gualle knows what's good for him, he'll try to strike a similar bargain, but...
The British are in a very different position than OTL. They've repulsed all the attempts to conquer their colonial possessions, and have ended up controlling more territory than they started with, though they are not planning on staying in these new areas one minute longer than necessary. they've been spared the humiliating defeats in Asia of OTL and can move forward from a strong position. The French by contrast are still trying to shake off the humiliations inflicted by the Germans and the Japanese, they are afraid any concessions will set off a cascade they can't control.But then he wouldn't be De Gaulle.
Ob yeah, I think it is, the other timelines IIRC only involves the French and the Americans, with the British participation at most only involved a small attache.Very interesting update. You rarely see WW2 timelines with British fighting in Indochina, I think this might be a first for me...? Always interesting to cover new ground.
Very interesting update. You rarely see WW2 timelines with British fighting in Indochina, I think this might be a first for me...? Always interesting to cover new ground.
Here I've assumed that the USA isn't keen on diverting resources to what they see as a peripheral operation, the British are mainly interested because it provides another stepping stone to the one piece of the British Empire the Japanese did successfully take in 1941.Ob yeah, I think it is, the other timelines IIRC only involves the French and the Americans, with the British participation at most only involved a small attache.
So, at this point, the japanese are holding onto cambodia and central/south vietnam (I probably read that incorrectly so do please correct me)
[7] This will have no negative consequences whatsoever obviously.
[8] And the final phase of the liberation of Indochina is next.
There will be long entries on China, Korea, and Manchuria, but those are few months in terms of the timeline, late 1944 rather than the summer. After Indochina its back to Germany, for the ultimate updates on the war in Europe.So, at this point, the japanese are holding onto cambodia and central/south vietnam (I probably read that incorrectly so do please correct me)
Also, given the fact that the Japanese are being driven back on all fronts (and they are about to go on Chiang's wild ride in China soon) Will there be a more prominent faction for peace ITTL? Also, with the british now heavily involved in the pacific war and taking down Japan, that does raise a question on what will the post-war order look like?
There also should be considered that there's probably not going to be an Ichi-Go Offensive, instead it'll be the Nationalists on the attack- which means that the Nationalists will have a lot more credibility with the people, and be in a much stronger position. Though, the Soviets may be able to take Hokkaido and all of korea given the extra time alloted to them thanks to an earlier end to the european theater... I sincerely cannot wait until the Cold War begins, as it'll be quite interesting
The British haven't had any issues, mostly because they never needed to create any large scale movements in their own colonial territories, the French are distinctly less happy about the situation and would really prefer it if everyone just went back to the status quo, whether they like it or not. This will create significant issues for the French down the line.How are the French and British handling the various guerrilla groups in se asia?