Multiple POD's-1270?

So, I need some help with a worldwide ATL from 1270-1290. Basically, I need to know how to make a complete Mongol takeover of Korea possible, along with moving that darned typhoon off-course so they can attack Japan. In Europe, I need to know how realistic a matriarchal Byzantine Empire would be, and I need Pope Urban II killed before the Crusades can be announced. Britain becomes isolationist ITTL and never goes to war with France or anything like that. France is dissolved under a failed Capet regime, and Spain fails epically at any sort of Reconquista. The Kievan Rus hold off the Mongols, only to be conquered by the HRE. For Africa, I need the Almohads to rival European powers, and I need Ethiopia going to colonize Madagascar and the southern parts of Africa, but being met with fierce resistance by smaller states, including a much earlier Zulu state. Meanwhile, back in China, the Yuan Dynasty has just begun, and now prepares to invade Europe. Vietnam becomes a regional power, conquering India. In the Americas, I need to know how to make the Tepanecs beat the Aztecs, and the Tiwanaku must destroy the very first Incas. I want Mali colonizing the Americas, and competing with Great Zimbabwe. In the north, a surviving Mississippian culture fights against the Norse settlers for control of the eastern coast. So, my question is... how do I pull this all off?
 
So, I need some help with a worldwide ATL from 1270-1290. Basically, I need to know how to make a complete Mongol takeover of Korea possible, along with moving that darned typhoon off-course so they can attack Japan. In Europe, I need to know how realistic a matriarchal Byzantine Empire would be, and I need Pope Urban II killed before the Crusades can be announced. Britain becomes isolationist ITTL and never goes to war with France or anything like that. France is dissolved under a failed Capet regime, and Spain fails epically at any sort of Reconquista. The Kievan Rus hold off the Mongols, only to be conquered by the HRE. For Africa, I need the Almohads to rival European powers, and I need Ethiopia going to colonize Madagascar and the southern parts of Africa, but being met with fierce resistance by smaller states, including a much earlier Zulu state. Meanwhile, back in China, the Yuan Dynasty has just begun, and now prepares to invade Europe. Vietnam becomes a regional power, conquering India. In the Americas, I need to know how to make the Tepanecs beat the Aztecs, and the Tiwanaku must destroy the very first Incas. I want Mali colonizing the Americas, and competing with Great Zimbabwe. In the north, a surviving Mississippian culture fights against the Norse settlers for control of the eastern coast. So, my question is... how do I pull this all off?

First off, welcome to the board.

Now, if you want Britain not to constantly squabble with France, have William I lose, since it was his being a French vassal which led to the whole rivalry in the first place. The Mongols taking over Japan would be possible with slightly more favorable weather (weather PODs aren't as long-term as geological or evolutionary PODs, so it's very plausible). Making the Eastern Romans matriarchal is hard for an Empire whose default state was war, and peace is the exception.
 
Alright, thanks! I actually have part of the Japan part written already, since I'm starting there and going west. So far, I'm about to have the Battle of Hakata told from the POV of a Japanese foot soldier.
 
On the subject of weather PODs, pretty much anything that's physically possible is plausible since the weather is so hard to predict.
 
On the subject of weather PODs, pretty much anything that's physically possible is plausible since the weather is so hard to predict.

Though you still have to take general climate patterns into mind - it would be possible, though implausible, for a snowstorm in mid-July in the Northern Hemisphere.
 
So, next up... how to make it so the Inca never become a dominant power... and how to kill off the Aztecs by making the Tepanecs win... but what effect would that have on the colonization of the New World? Doesn't really matter, since isolationist Britain and Moor-controlled Spain and all...
 
Wouldn't I have to kill Manco Capac, who was actually alive much closer to this time? HE was the one who first founded Cuzco. Pachacuti lived in the 1400s, which is way after TTL ends. But how to get those Tepanecs to win...
 

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So, I need some help with a worldwide ATL from 1270-1290. Basically, I need to know how to make a complete Mongol takeover of Korea possible, along with moving that darned typhoon off-course so they can attack Japan. In Europe, I need to know how realistic a matriarchal Byzantine Empire would be, and I need Pope Urban II killed before the Crusades can be announced. Britain becomes isolationist ITTL and never goes to war with France or anything like that. France is dissolved under a failed Capet regime, and Spain fails epically at any sort of Reconquista. The Kievan Rus hold off the Mongols, only to be conquered by the HRE. For Africa, I need the Almohads to rival European powers, and I need Ethiopia going to colonize Madagascar and the southern parts of Africa, but being met with fierce resistance by smaller states, including a much earlier Zulu state. Meanwhile, back in China, the Yuan Dynasty has just begun, and now prepares to invade Europe. Vietnam becomes a regional power, conquering India. In the Americas, I need to know how to make the Tepanecs beat the Aztecs, and the Tiwanaku must destroy the very first Incas. I want Mali colonizing the Americas, and competing with Great Zimbabwe. In the north, a surviving Mississippian culture fights against the Norse settlers for control of the eastern coast. So, my question is... how do I pull this all off?

Welcome to the board! To pull this of you need Alien Space Bats.
 
KhanorYuan said:
Explain why I would need ASB.

First thing would be what you plan for the Chinese. The Yuan preparing to invade Europe is a little ASB... There is all of Central Asia in the middle of this : the Chinese would have to conquer that first and it won't be easy unless ASB.

Second thing would probably linked to your ideas of Africa, though I'm not expert enough with that continent to be sure of what poses a problem.
There might also be a little problem with America, but here I don't think my opinion really counts since I'm not familiar with the pre-American colonization cultures.

A Martriarchal Byzantine Empire doesn't add up for me. The Byzantines are heirs of the Romans, who were a pretty much partiarcal society. Now, if a strong, powerful and well-loved Empress rises up, maybe the Empire can turn matriarchal, yet I'm no Byzantine expert and am far from sure of this.

The HRE conquering Kievan Rus would recquire the HRE to first conquer Hungary or Poland, which doesn't seems possible, even in a personnal Union scenario.

The rest seems okay for me, although I'm not a fan of the Capetian failure scenario in France... Not to mention it butterflies a bunch of European kings of OTL (There is Capetian blood in a lot of Royal families).

I hope I'm not too harsh with you... I wouldn't want to discourage someone who just arrived.

Welcome on the board by the way. :)
 
A Martriarchal Byzantine Empire doesn't add up for me. The Byzantines are heirs of the Romans, who were a pretty much partiarcal society. Now, if a strong, powerful and well-loved Empress rises up, maybe the Empire can turn matriarchal, yet I'm no Byzantine expert and am far from sure of this.
I've been told by people who are that this is impossible, not and retain the character of the empire in any form that is recognizable or relatable to us as the empire.
 
First thing would be what you plan for the Chinese. The Yuan preparing to invade Europe is a little ASB... There is all of Central Asia in the middle of this : the Chinese would have to conquer that first and it won't be easy unless ASB.
Hmmm... I can imagine that I would need the Mongols to remain unified under the Great Khan for there to be any hope, considering that their stronghold was in Central Asia. With Kublai Khan based in China and all of the Horde at his command... probably would still need to get through the Sultanate of Rum, though, which I'm not sure about... any ideas?

Second thing would probably linked to your ideas of Africa, though I'm not expert enough with that continent to be sure of what poses a problem.
Yeah, Great Zimbabwe and Mali were pretty powerful, but they were outcompeted eventually.

There might also be a little problem with America, but here I don't think my opinion really counts since I'm not familiar with the pre-American colonization cultures.
Well, the Aztecs first rose to power in OTL by defeating the Tepanecs. I'm pretty sure the battle could have gon either way.

A Martriarchal Byzantine Empire doesn't add up for me. The Byzantines are heirs of the Romans, who were a pretty much partiarcal society. Now, if a strong, powerful and well-loved Empress rises up, maybe the Empire can turn matriarchal, yet I'm no Byzantine expert and am far from sure of this.
Yeah... I was really just asking how it would work. I was wondering if an armed revolt could avoid ASB, but it doesn't seem so likely now...

The HRE conquering Kievan Rus would recquire the HRE to first conquer Hungary or Poland, which doesn't seems possible, even in a personnal Union scenario.
Hmmm... alright, how do you think it could happen? Any ideas are welcome!

The rest seems okay for me, although I'm not a fan of the Capetian failure scenario in France... Not to mention it butterflies a bunch of European kings of OTL (There is Capetian blood in a lot of Royal families).
MUAHAHAHA!!! Wait, how many things would get butterflied, though?

I hope I'm not too harsh with you... I wouldn't want to discourage someone who just arrived.
Meh, I'm used to it. The forums I frequent, that's a lot of what they still do to me. I'm glad to see I'm getting a better reception here. :)

Welcome on the board by the way. :)
Thanks! :)
 
France is dissolved under a failed Capet regime, and Spain fails epically at any sort of Reconquista.

The first is not that easy to get without the English meddling. You might have a window of opportunity in the Aragonese Crusade. Philip III died there. If you can get Charles whacked, Philip the IV has lost an able military commander and can bankrupt France at his leisure.

For the second we are three generations too late: The Castilians already have the best of Al-Andalus, the Aragonese have already conquered Valencia and arrived as far as they agreed they would with the Castilians. The Portuguese are already in the Algarve.

If you want the Almohads to survive, you need to change the tide of war at the Navas de Tolosa in 1212. A possibility presents itself: if the Almohads are not caught by surprise and the Christians are sent away from Despeñaperros, the Almohads have a defensible position with Sevilla and Cordoba.

Butterfiles ensue. Aragon might win Muret and kick the French out of Languedoc and Provence. That might slow the French quite a bit. Even more if you can get them to expel the Jews earlier than in OTL (the Spanish were not alone in that respect, you know)

The Aragonese would not be that interested in the Reconquista for a while. The center of gravity of the Aragonese kingdom would shift to Tolosa (Toulouse).

Valencia, Murcia and the Balearics might still fall to the Christians as they are not as defensible (probably the Castilians, but not necessarily) but that would be about the extent of it. Particularly if you manage to get the Castilians to fight among themselves for a while.

The problem with making the Reconquista fail was that the Almohads were a blessing in disguise. On a Moslem land which had a sizeable proportion of Christians and Jews and where even wine drinking was widespread, the Almohads "convert, die or get the heck out of here" was a gift to the Christian kingdoms. If they were to increase the jizya but moderate their stance on the dhimmi, you might have a chance. But then they wouldn't be the Almohads...
 
I think that having Mali colonise the Americas would be hard. They weren't really a seafaring nation and the currents were against them. Maybe they colonise further south into Africa i.e. controlling the mouth of the Congo and parts of modern Namibia and Cameroon.

As for Ethopia, again there's the problem that it's a highlands culture dominated by clans and cattle herding. If you want colonisation of the East African seaboard then your best bet is the Arabs,who had already established a trading post at Zanzibar.

As for Vietnam conquering India . . . that's kinda ASB. Vietnam IOTL was largely absorbed by the Yuan Dynasty, so I don't see how a more powerful Yuan China will fail to do this ITTL. Then there's Laos and Burma in the way, which are rainforested and full of great big rivers and mountains.

Perhaps the Muslims Sultanates of Brunei and the Malay Peninsula get knocked into a unitary state or a confederation against the Chinese. These then trade with China, Europe and India (because they control the spice islands) and begin colonising India and maybe Australia.

So some of this stuff is ASB but there's a lot of interesting ideas in here; may I too welcome you to the board.
 
ATl 1270-1290

Ok, so I know the following:
1. Charles must die.
2. Infighting in Spain, possibly caused by disease and succession crises?
3. No Vietnam taking over India.
4. Mali goes south, not west.
5. Brunei+Malay=Win.
6. An earlier POD required for 1270-1290?

So... what now? Feel free to comment on any of my ideas; I'm not even done with Japan yet, so this is still very much under construction. :D
 
Ok, so I know the following:
1. Charles must die.

Yes indeedy. If you manage to have Philip the IV expel the Jews and fail to control the Templars, he's ROYALLY screwed for money.

2. Infighting in Spain, possibly caused by disease and succession crises?

A suggestion: keep alive Fernando de la Cerda, the eldest son of Alfonso X of Castile. And then have Sancho try to usurp the throne with the help of Leonese nobles. Stir and serve. Getting the Aragonese involved on that could be difficult, but they have their own set of problems.

6. An earlier POD required for 1270-1290?

I cannot stress this enough: whoever controls the Sierra Morena, controls Sevilla and Cordoba and controls southern Spain. Cordoba alone was one of the biggest cities in the world at the time. (It was the biggest city in the world at one point!)

Holding the Sierra Morena after the Navas de Tolosa battle would be ASB, I'm afraid.
 
Ok, so I'm about halfway into the Japan part, and I still need a way for most of Japan's army to have been away from Kyushu long enough for the Mongols, who were REALLY serious about the tribute, to take Dazaifu and the rest of the island. BTW, Kublai sends a LOT more soldiers ITTL. I was thinking that the bulk of the army would be away dealing with an insurrection on Hokkaido, then put it down, break a Mongol blockade complete with Korean ironclads (did those exist yet?), then ride back and stomp the Mongols, who just CANNOT fight on this terrain! I really wanted Japan's mettle to be tested a lot more than it was IOTL. Any suggestions? Also, I need more help with the Pope Urban II thing. How am I gonna kill him off?
 
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