MSG: NHC: Antesian state
MSG: Would it be possible to have an independent Antesian state appear and survive to the modern era? Let's say with no changepoint before 1500 or so.
MSG: What is Antesia?
MSG: Artemisia is your friend. Antesians were an ethnic group in the Suomic empire which essentially have been totally assimilated since the 2400s. Don't know how OP thought this up.
MSG: Sorry, I didn't think they were that obscure. In Taurida they are taught in schools as an early example of Grecian trade contacts.
MSG: I think I saw this concept somewhere before.
MSG: I honestly don't see how you get a handful of tribes to survive as a state in one of the most hotly contested areas of the world. Are Rhomania and Suomia just going to stop going at each other for a few hundred years to allow the Antesians to get settled?
MSG: It would really have to be as some sort of client state, but that would inevitably be very short-lived considering Rhomania's tendency to grab and settle everything in sight...
MSG: Aren't you Rhomanian?
MSG: 2769 =/= 2400s
MSG: suggesting Rhomania's policy is actually all that different now
MSG: To return to the topic at hand, I think the best shot at this is if Silla wins the Suomic-Sillan war of 2348, to an extent which the Suomic Empire falls apart then and there. As Rhomania was still tangling with Teotihuacania at that point, there's an opportunity for breakaway states to survive in the vacuum.
MSG: 'tangling' is a very euphemistic way to put it lol
MSG: remind me, what was the last time Rhomania invaded one of her neighbors?
MSG: but again were there really many of them left by then?
MSG: Found it! There's a book called the Atlas of Imaginary Places which covers this idea. The changepoint isn't clear from the map, though.
MSG: you would if Silla wasn't there to stop you
MSG: can you post the map?
MSG: yeah I'll go ahead and scan it
MSG: stop wasting my chunks with your political trash
MSG: Is that legal?
MSG: This site is hosted in Vedia, no one really cares
MSG: is that true?
MSG: well, a lot of posters do seem to treat bull like it was holy
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MSG: It's about five mil
MSG: zeus' beard it better be interesting for five mil
MSG: Is the cable really that bad in Taurida?
MSG: The cable's that bad anywhere not touching the Mediterranean. Don't get the site censored while I'm gone.
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MSG: you're willing to slaughter the Embera wholesale for a warm-water port
MSG: that was literally 400 years ago
MSG: sorry but this map is kind of shit
MSG: but your consul has never apologized for it or even acknowledged it
MSG: because it was literally 400 years ago
MSG: What about the Bodans, by the way? You all aren't exactly clean either.
MSG: What's wrong with it?
MSG: classic Rhomanian deflection
MSG: I'm Sogdian, but thanks for the racist assumption
MSG: can't you people fight about this somewhere else?
MSG: not my fault the mods tolerate barbarians on the site
MSG: yeah so first off what is 'slavonshyna' and what are these moon runes?
MSG: 'Slavs' were the Antesians' name for themselves - as for the lettering, idk, a lot of the book is like that - sort of faux-alternate alphabet
MSG: if anyone is a 'barbarian', it's the people who were riding horses around the desert while we were inventing paper
MSG: these borders make absolutely no sense whatsoever, and where do these placenames come from? (not even touching the oh-so-edgy standard)
MSG: well, like I said, the changepoint isn't clear. it would probably have to be real early -somewhere between 500 and 1000
MSG: it just strikes me as very casual - sort of like a nationalists' wank, if there were any antesians left to make bad maps
MSG: lol, the cinians invented paper, you just conquered them
MSG: look, it's mass market newhistory, what do you expect. I didn't endorse it, just said I saw it
MSG: fair enough I guess
MSG: actually, the archaeological record suggests the Cahokians invented paper as early as 200 PUC, but this has been suppressed by racist historians
MSG: I think I'm done for the day anyways - wasted too many chunks receiving this blather
MSG: yeah, someone needs to get control of this system. where's CahuillaUrsa when you need him?
MSG: talk to you all later
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