POTUS P.Diffin said:Howery's America
Seriously? There's no limit to what evil other timelines could have. In the Crazy Days ATL for instance, I have a Communist India, Italy & Theocratic Military Russian Dictatorship. I'm sure there are timelines out there were a government considerably worse than the Nazi regime came to power in Germany (like perhaps a Communist, Military or more devious Fascist regime).
Abdul Hadi Pasha said:Can you give me an example of a more EVIL regime? Use your imagination, no ASB. I can't imagine anything worse than Nazi Germany, and if you can, I recommend counselling.
Matt Quinn said:"Sure, Stalin was bad, but he didn't set out to kill or enslave everyone who wasn't of his particular ethnic group...."
Yes, but he was out for TOTAL power and killed ANYONE who could POSSIBLY challenge him. Plus, he did not care about the human costs of building his empire (plus, he DID engage in large-scale slave labor). Hence 40 million deaths, without having to start a major war (unlike Hitler, who had to start WWII in Europe to get to a slightly smaller number).
Racism is evil, but it is not the ultimate evil. I'm inclined to think lust for power (hence Mao, Stalin, etc) is up there too. Hitler killed relatively few of his own ethnicity, but butt-loads of "inferiors." Stalin, on the other hand, killed huge #s of people of EVERY ethnicity. You can cite "at least he wasn't prejudiced" as a "good," but it could also work against Stalin...he's so evil he didn't even spare his own people.
John,
The Unification world (from this site, I think) started a global nuclear holocaust and managed to overcome the forces of Right and Freedom. A victorious totalitarian regime that's killed billions is probably worse than the Third Reich.
Abdul Hadi Pasha said:Can you give me an example of a more EVIL regime? Use your imagination, no ASB. I can't imagine anything worse than Nazi Germany, and if you can, I recommend counselling.
Hm, you really do like old Uncle Joe, eh, Pasha?Abdul Hadi Pasha said:(...) His aim was to build a stronger Russia, which he did.
Mr.Bluenote said:Hm, you really do like old Uncle Joe, eh, Pasha?
Most powermad dictators, kings, tyrants etc etc just wants to build a stronger something - Hitler wanted a stronger Germany (which of course didn't include Jews, Gypsies, Communists and what not), but that still makes him a very nasty character in my book... I don't give much for Stalins motives, he made untold millions suffer because of HIS ideology and wants, not theirs, which I think is a very important point. The Russians, or Soviets if You please, didn't want Stalinism in form of mass deportations, Gulags, state induced (for one reason or another) famines etc etc.
One thing history should have taught us is that dictators with an extreme ideology and an intend to make their country stronger is very bad news for the local population...
My vote for badest guy is on Stalin, with Hitler/Mao runing a close second...
Best regards!
- Mr.Bluenote.
Matt Quinn said:"Hitler was probably worse then Stalin because he had less time to rack up the body count. That must be taken in consideration"
But Stalin didn't have to start a major war to kill more people than Hitler (though he certainly contributed to WWII with the Nazi-Soviet Pact and his conquests of the Baltic states and assault on Finland).
Pre-WWII, the Nazis imprisoned 100,000 people in labor camps, killed several thousand political opponents outright, extorted a billion marks or so from and then expelled the country's Jews, and indulged in domestic martial-law type stuff. Once they actually invaded the neighbors, THEN the mass-killings started.