Morocco conquered by Portugal in the 16th century.

What would happen if Portugal succeed in conquer Morocco before 1600?

Beside the survival of the House of Aviz what would the effect be?

Would it cut the Barbary pirates off from the Atlantic?

How long would it take to convert the Moroccans?

Would Arab be replaced with Berber of Portuguese or would it develop into a separate Arab language?

What would the effect be on the Sahel states?
 
Ahah, we are just having page long conversation over the Spanish trying do that.

While I think the Spanish have a shot I´m not sure for the Portuguese, their population is even lower than the land they want to conquer and generally you need more troops(that they don´t have) or better strategies and armaments(that they don´t have) in a naval invasion so it would impossible to imagine a scenario where they rule the whole of Morocco.
 
Ahah, we are just having page long conversation over the Spanish trying do that.

While I think the Spanish have a shot I´m not sure for the Portuguese, their population is even lower than the land they want to conquer and generally you need more troops(that they don´t have) or better strategies and armaments(that they don´t have) in a naval invasion so it would impossible to imagine a scenario where they rule the whole of Morocco.

I think the best the Portuguese can manage is to back a pretender to the Moroccan throne, and hope that his heirs remail weak enough to continue to be Portuguese puppets. Conquering it outright and converting the population is probably asb

Well the Portuguese do have naval superiority so they could probably conquer and hold the coast, but not the hinterlanday. Get and marrakech would elude them
 

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ASB. Portugal lacks the forces to subdue Morocco or the logistical system to hold down their conquests.

Cutting of the ports didn't choke the Moroccan economy (Which was a usual Portuguese strategy in war) and attempting to invade the place would mean their forces would be stretched thin holding cities and at the mercy of Fabian tactics from the Moroccans.
 
North Africa was basically unconquerable. Awful terrain, the Atlas mountains, Berber tribes, strong native states, and centuries of being barely able to hold onto coastal white elephant ports that mainly served as a training ground for the dudes Portugal sent to Asia.
 
Would it be better if Spain and Portugal had primary focus on North Africa ? If England and France conquered the Americas first, would the reconquistadors of Spain and Portugal try for North Africa ?
 

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Would it be better if Spain and Portugal had primary focus on North Africa ? If England and France conquered the Americas first, would the reconquistadors of Spain and Portugal try for North Africa ?
No because the Spanish wouldn't gain much from trying to conquer North Africa. It lacks the easy wealth and resources of the New World or the material gains in Europe.

Nor could they pull off such a conquest.
 
No because the Spanish wouldn't gain much from trying to conquer North Africa. It lacks the easy wealth and resources of the New World or the material gains in Europe.

Nor could they pull off such a conquest.

Damn. I was about to fill that in on a timeline I am working on.
 

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Would it be okay if I use your Iberia North Africa thing or is that too much to ask ?
You may use my Iberian North Africa in your TL, of course. You may even reuse all or part of my maps (there are plenty of maps there).
I would only ask to include a link to my TL in the relevant post of your TL. And, maybe send me a P.M. with a link to your TL, or simply call me like this: @Zagan and I will be notified with an alert.
Thanks for the interest and good luck with your TL.
 
You may use my Iberian North Africa in your TL, of course. You may even reuse all or part of my maps (there are plenty of maps there).
I would only ask to include a link to my TL in the relevant post of your TL. And, maybe send me a P.M. with a link to your TL, or simply call me like this: @Zagan and I will be notified with an alert.
Thanks for the interest and good luck with your TL.

Thanks mate ! I'll let you know as soon as I have it all organised :)
 
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