More South American nations

Acre is a possible survivor until the present day. Entre Rios? Unlikely, seeing as it didn't survive well OTL. If their navy isn't found by the Brazilian navy the Juliana Republic might survive. Independent French Guyana's a good candidate. Give it a few years and East Bolivia might split. Zulia?
 
Acre is a possible survivor until the present day. Entre Rios? Unlikely, seeing as it didn't survive well OTL. If their navy isn't found by the Brazilian navy the Juliana Republic might survive. Independent French Guyana's a good candidate. Give it a few years and East Bolivia might split. Zulia?

The Acrean independence was just a tool to annex it to Brazil, they hardly could remain as an Amazonian Paraguay (a landlocked country with access only through rivers). And the Juliana Republic was kind of a joke of Garibaldi, it was consisted only by the city of Laguna, and even there the rebells managed to make the majority of population hate them.

I think that Pernambuco would be more easily independent, they had more tradition of being against the central power, and the liberal thought was stronger there. Also, Pará and Maranhão would probably follow a different fate from Brazil. They didn't recognize the independence, and needed to be conquered by the troops and fleet of Pedro I. If the Portuguese were a bit stronger there, or if the Imperial invasion had failed, they could have easily become a kind of Amazonian Canada, a loyalist territory in opposition to an independent Brazil.
 

corourke

Donor
There's a LOT of possibility here. Most South American countries politics throughout the nineteenth century were dominated by the conflict between the metropole (in Argentina's case, Buenos Aires) and the provinces. Sticking with the Argentine example, Buenos Aires often found itself quite at odds with the interests of the provinces (free trade vs. protectionism), and this often led to armed conflict. Indeed Buenos Aires and Argentina existed as completely separate entities for a time.

This was present in a lot of countries in South America. Ecuador is one, though the sakes were obviously a little lower.

In Nicaragua you had the interesting situation of a three-way power split, with two large cities, Grenada and Leon, existing essentially completely independent of one another in the west, and Britain existing as pretty much the sole dominating power on the western coast.

Even if you ignore the constant metropole vs. provinces conflicts, there are still many opportunities for the federalist systems of South America to fail. Brazil is not that different from the United States of Centeal America or Gran Colombia, and could certainly fallen apart given the right circumstances. Bahia always had a drive for independence.
 

boredatwork

Banned
Mexico could have split three or more ways at various points in history - ending up with Yucatan, Mexico (the core plateau region), and Aztlan or the Rio Grande Federation up along the US/Texas (dep on TL) border.

Argentina, as noted, could have split with a BA centered city-statelet, and the rest as a separate entity.

Brazil was sufficiently large that you could have the south costal highlands as one entity (prosaicly name Brazil, as that's where most of the population & wealth are), and the river basin to the north under a different name/ownership - possibly Amazonia? <ducks>.

Bolivia and Paraguay could both have split, given their poverty and the various coups/countercoups.

In a cartelwank tl, Medellin and parts of the country side could split from Colombia proper - possibly under the cover of a leftwing/rightwing civil war.

Under the same approach - you could have an East/West Cuba, if castro had made the mistake of making his anti-americanism and communist leaning more obvious/offensive to his northern neighbors before consolidating his position.

As a last casualty of the cold war, there was a portion of eastern Nicaragua that was the base of support for the contras - that could potentially have hived off and formed a new US sponsored statelet under the right conditions.

Venezuela could even have split apart, in a TL where their conflict with the UK went hot, with a UK hostile state to the west and a UK friendly state to the east (or south/north).

Or, you could go farther back, and change the settlement patterns - if a whole slew of nations start colonies at various points - that would seem to lead to more possibilities for greater balkanization.
 

maverick

Banned
Bolivia: we can see independence for Tarija and Santa Cruz maybe...

Ecuador: guayaquil, I think, not very likely...

Brazil: Pernanbuco and the Republica Riograndese (as seen in my TL "The Fallen Prince")

Argentina: the Confederation on one side an Buenos Aires on the other...
 
Pernambuco had a chance,it tryed 2 timmes and failed.We paid a very high price for the failrules,we lost more thanhalf of the state land area.
 
Patagonia could work. Not only was it far enough from the capital it was/is different culturally. The Mapuche were the main native people there, and Patagonia also has a sizeable Welsh community. Perhaps Patagonia becomes a member of sorts into the Commonwealth? You could even give the Falklands to a British-friendly Patagonia. That would be interesting, a country in the New World with Welsh as a major language.

Not South American but Moskito Coast could somehow stay independent. it would be tough to do, but its possible.
 
Patagonia could work. Not only was it far enough from the capital it was/is different culturally. The Mapuche were the main native people there, and Patagonia also has a sizeable Welsh community. Perhaps Patagonia becomes a member of sorts into the Commonwealth? You could even give the Falklands to a British-friendly Patagonia. That would be interesting, a country in the New World with Welsh as a major language.

:D

Not South American but Moskito Coast could somehow stay independent. it would be tough to do, but its possible.

Well, really all it had to do was say "Stuff You" to the US... ;)

Mind you, if the US was somehow less concerned with a British territory right there, that wouldn't be much of a problem...
 
If you have the Portuguese royal house not fleeing to Brazil, Brazil would most likely not have stayed unified later on, and you could carve almost a dozen more countries out of it. The Confederation of Argentina could split if you gave it a good shove.
 
Argentina: split into Buenos Aires in the north and Patagonia in the South.

Brazil: Southeast and Southern Brazil as Federal Republic of Parana, Northeast as Republic of Bahia, Southwest as Republic of Mato Grosso and Northwest as Federal Republic of Amazonas.
 
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