More powers and fronts in world war 2

but without pearl harbor americans would be questioning why we were fighting to save european imperialist. We could stress racial solidarity but most minorities who were in the armed forces would be more demoralized by that. Inflaming racial tensions during war
Alright, so how do you see all of this happening?

Are you suggesting Hitler would send the Africa Korps to Syria instead of Libya? Or split it up? Or send the Afrika Korps to Libya AND send another corps to Syria? In my opinion any of these actions will make success in Africa for the axis only smaller as it will drain more resources than OTL and create more problems than solve concerning movement on the ground, air support and logistical positioning.

Same goes for Japan, not attacking the US but attacking the Dutch East indies and the UK alone. The reason they attacked the US as well is because of the Philippines. Knowing fully well a declaration of war by the US is likely if they attack the Dutch and UK, the Philippines is very much in their way. If they don't take out the Philippines then thats a perfect base of operations for the US to attack all over the pacific. They would also be neglecting the use of their superior navy. It would make the pacific war only shorter.
 
Lithuania, perhaps? IIRC, the country was dangerously close to becoming a fascist dictatorship in the 30's. If it did become one, then i'd expect everything in WW2 to be quite different, especially the Molotov-Ribentropp Pact.
 
Lithuania, perhaps? IIRC, the country was dangerously close to becoming a fascist dictatorship in the 30's. If it did become one, then i'd expect everything in WW2 to be quite different, especially the Molotov-Ribentropp Pact.
Hitler could say he's defending semi germanic balts from pure slavic hoards.
 
Turkey could become fascist and allow axis passage. Which would obviously lead to Britain and the Soviets declaring war. Also germany did own Crete which is close to Syria. It would be a disaster but disasters happen in war and let's remember Hitler did divert troops from the Caucasus mountains to Stalingrad.
Turkey becoming Fascist? Very unlikely, given that Ataturk lived until 1938, it could happen, but really difficult. Anyway what would allowing the Axis passage get them even if Fascist? They had held onto pretty much all the wanted after WWI, anything else is territory filled with people that hate them, and puts them at risk

And how do you get those supplies and troops to Crete? Got to ship them from Italy(as the Greek railnet is not as good) then to Crete, then Syria, having to go past Cyprus and the RAF there plus the RN out of Alexandria

Diverting from the Caucuses to Stalingrad makes some sense, Stalingrad had a chance to really hurt the Soviets and was closer to the German base of supply
 
but without pearl harbor americans would be questioning why we were fighting to save european imperialist. We could stress racial solidarity but most minorities who were in the armed forces would be more demoralized by that. Inflaming racial tensions during war

tensions or not the US will not stand idly by as the world burns. They won't be saving "european imperialists" but stopping Japanese imperialist aggression. If Japan wins they know they're next.
 
Yes but Americans were still rather isolationist and the Japanese weren't attacking independent states they were attacking colonies.
 
Its not that close but you could attack Cyprus which is.

thats not realistic. They would have to build up forces on a (relatively)remote island to invade an even more remote island with hardly any strategic value just so they can then land in a country that has even less strategic value.
 
tensions or not the US will not stand idly by as the world burns. They won't be saving "european imperialists" but stopping Japanese imperialist aggression. If Japan wins they know they're next.
What the US would do in the Pacific is what they did in the Atlantic, help the Allies out with everything short of war while provoking the Axis, then waiting for the Axis to get tired and shoot at the US and give them a reason for war. Or FDR agrees to release the uncensored Panay incident footage, that he was afraid would provoke a war with Japan if released
Its not that close but you could attack Cyprus which is.
Cyprus is still not that close, and as Crete lacks the infrastructure to support major ops, so they have to mostly stage out italy anyways
Yes but Americans were still rather isolationist and the Japanese weren't attacking independent states they were attacking colonies.
The US was not that isolationist by the end of '41, something like 75% of Americans were in favor of stopping Japan, even if it meant a possibility of war according to a Gallup Poll in November '41 I think
 
Yes but Americans were still rather isolationist and the Japanese weren't attacking independent states they were attacking colonies.

They would be aggressively grabbing resources all over the pacific to fuel their war machine, actively threathening/attacking Australia, and surrounding the US colony of the Philippines. They might not be fighting as fiercely as OTL(at first) but they will help out fight the fascist expansionism, don't think they won't. Not with such a widespread act of aggression towards the tens of millions of people in the pacific. Wait for them to hear how they treat POWs and their occupation policies like someone already mentioned.
 
So do you think it's possible for there to be any fronts in ww2 that didn't happen otl?
They would be aggressively grabbing resources all over the pacific to fuel their war machine, actively threathening/attacking Australia, and surrounding the US colony of the Philippines. They might not be fighting as fiercely as OTL(at first) but they will help out fight the fascist expansionism, don't think they won't. Not with such a widespread act of aggression towards the tens of millions of people in the pacific. Wait for them to hear how they treat POWs and their occupation policies like someone already mentioned.
 
So do you think it's possible for there to be any fronts in ww2 that didn't happen otl?

I said earlier decisions can be made for new fronts to open like with Spain. But in the pacific there aren't any more fronts to open. All fronts were there, you are discussing less fronts. I argue the US will participate as long as Japan keeps expanding and acts aggressively towards other sovereign nations. Most particularly democratic nations that the US is friendly with.
 
Dunkirk goes bad for Britain and Argentina may feel emboldened to go for the Falklands while Turkey "occupies" Kirkuk as Iraq makes an attempt at forcing the UK out.
 
Iran, iraq, and Afghanistan were very axis friendly otl. So in ww2 a disastrous invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, Iran attacks British embassies, and British (mostly Indian) troops deal with insurgencies in Afghanistan.
 
A quick coup would make fascist Spain participating in world war 2 during the bit where germany is crushing everything inevitable. But like Italy Spain would be extremely incompetent. More meat for the grinder in north Africa thou, which may lead to Germany investing more in that region.

A coup? By whom? The exiled Republicans? How quick and with what plan? What's your reasoning that a coup can succeed in TTL quickly?

Incompetent? Do you know that the Spanish Blue Division was awarded by Hilter a medal of its own as it fought well against the Red Army?
 
I said earlier decisions can be made for new fronts to open like with Spain. But in the pacific there aren't any more fronts to open. All fronts were there, you are discussing less fronts. I argue the US will participate as long as Japan keeps expanding and acts aggressively towards other sovereign nations. Most particularly democratic nations that the US is friendly with.

You raise the arguments, so you need to justify and explain your arguments with sources, preferably academic and contemporary sources.

So far, you have cited no sources.
 
So many holes have been poked in this thread I think it's time for me to admit it's implausible for their to be more fronts in world war 2. Interesting to think about, but from what others have said practically impossible.
 
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