More minorities in the Russian empire/a more diverse Russia?

Warsie

Banned
I was wondering what can happen for more non Russians to be in the russian empire as a percentage of the population. I know say the circassians can not be ethnically cleansed leaving what is Stavropol krai to be Circassian territory. Also Crimea could have more Turks on it and that the Turkic groups that migrated to china can stay in Russia due to better treatment. Other than also annexing persia and Afghanistan how else can this happen?
 
Easy-weird answer; VERY early POD, ensuring survival and strenghtening of the finno-ugrian small nations who made a sizeable part of western russiaS?

But I probably butterflied away even A Big Russia at all.
 
I means very far in the past, Dark Ages, movement of Slavic peoples to Rus's coming, and Kiev Russia...

They covered a good part of was is more of less called western, 'european' russia, by the Urals... or so a map I saw once shown.

Descendants still exist, moribonds languages.. Mordves, by example, Karelians (Finns) to the northwest, etc...
 

Warsie

Banned
Ok i see. I was thinking the pod being after the first tsar was crowned when Russia became semi united pushing out the Mongols and shit. Aka more diversity outside the 'core' around Muscovy say the mari are larger or the komi population too but Russia expands to Siberia as in otl.
 
Ok i see. I was thinking the pod being after the first tsar was crowned when Russia became semi united pushing out the Mongols and shit. Aka more diversity outside the 'core' around Muscovy say the mari are larger or the komi population too but Russia expands to Siberia as in otl.

Maybe more "leniant" colonialism with no russification at all...
 
- more expansion along the western coast of the Black Sea (see Decades of Darkness) which leads to the annexation of the Danubian Principalities, Bulgaria and Thrace (including Constantinople)

- annexation of the eastern Ili Basin region (IOTL it was occupied by Russia) and other parts of Xinjiang

- retaining of Russian America (very small European population)
 
I think more Han Chinese in the eastern part of the russian empire can make it more diverse.
Thats quite possible. An easy way to do it would be for Russia to get more of Manchuria in the 19th century. Or make the parts they annexed OTL more populated.
 
I was wondering what can happen for more non Russians to be in the russian empire as a percentage of the population. I know say the circassians can not be ethnically cleansed leaving what is Stavropol krai to be Circassian territory. Also Crimea could have more Turks on it and that the Turkic groups that migrated to china can stay in Russia due to better treatment. Other than also annexing persia and Afghanistan how else can this happen?


Dude, there are a shitload of ethnic minorities in Russia, and they have higher birth rates than Slavic Russians.
 
POD 17 cent:maybe if the schisma in orthodox church would gone badder and the old and new believers would be in war, the tsars wouldnt had much opportunities to try to convert and russifie volgan non-russians(tatars, mordvan nations, udmurts etc) thus
POD at 10-13 cent:
if Ivan Dolgoruki couldnt conquer golyads and meryans and muromians and maris they would develop into nations
POD at 16 cent
dont let Ivan Groznõi conquer tatar states near volga(no russification and so an muslim empire could form) and keep him away from Novgorod(no russification of northern fennougrians)
 
Say Russian wins the war against Japan, securing Manchuria. Later on the Whites beat the Reds in the Russian civil war, and a fascistic element within them gained power. The fascistic element then takes advantage of China's civil war to annex China as a whole- Britain and possibly America might proclaim war on Russia in response, but they can't win a land war with Russia. Chinese are then imported for what amounts to slave labour in Siberia and Eastern Europe.

There, you have a ovewhelmingly Chinese "Russia":D.
 
I thought Russian Empire was very diverse - it basically had the same borders are Soviet Union, which was 50% Russian and 50% something else.
 
Thats quite possible. An easy way to do it would be for Russia to get more of Manchuria in the 19th century. Or make the parts they annexed OTL more populated.

China very easily destroyed the Manchus is Manchuria and Russia easily destroyed the Manchus and Koreans in Transamur the Tatar population in the Golden Horde, the Turkic Peoples in Southern Siberia, etc.
 

Warsie

Banned
Dude, there are a shitload of ethnic minorities in Russia, and they have higher birth rates than Slavic Russians.

True, but they're not having populations on the level of Tatarstan or Georgia

I thought Russian Empire was very diverse - it basically had the same borders are Soviet Union, which was 50% Russian and 50% something else.

It was, I was looking for more larger native siberian populations and whatnot in the territory of what becomes the Russian Soviet Republic that could end up being upgraded to Union Republics rather than ASSRs.
 

Warsie

Banned
^yeah but a lot of those republics are like half russian or whatnot, and many are the same group that is classified differently due to geography or whatnot.
 
Dude, there are a shitload of ethnic minorities in Russia, and they have higher birth rates than Slavic Russians.
That's it. Exactly.
So there is no need for ATL or POD.
In OTL Russia is getting more and more non-Russian with every passing minute.

Some Russians get hysterical over it.
I am not.

It is just inevitability...
 

abc123

Banned
That's it. Exactly.
So there is no need for ATL or POD.
In OTL Russia is getting more and more non-Russian with every passing minute.

Some Russians get hysterical over it.
I am not.

It is just inevitability...

That's right.
After all, ex-USSR/Imperial Russia had about 250 different ethnic groups IIRC, I wonder is it even possible to beat that?
 
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