Which empire do you think would have been more likely to survive to the Present day, assuming a POD around the turn of the century: the Ottoman Empire or the Austria-Hungarian Empire?
More likely empire to survive to present day?
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Pretty equal both had the same issues tbh multiple minorities that wanted representation and bordered by other empires and kingdoms that wanted chunks out of them
I think Austria Hungary could survive, especially if thy create the United States of Greater Austria.
The ottomans were on the periphery of European affairs by this point, and were sitting on what is best described as an enormous pile of oil. That is, if they can make it to the 30s, a winning situation, even with the arab revolt (which I think is much less likely to work without Turkey getting in ww1.) The Austrians are at best, sitting on a region in between two to three other great powers with much more impactful internal divisions
The Ottoman Empire was more likely to survive IMO. The states in the Middle East today are pretty diverse. If the Ottomans stay out of WW1, they can keep most of their empire together IMO.
Maybe, but I think they'd need much more reforms. They'd have to offer their ethnic minorities greater representation... even if it's still under Hapsburg rule. From what I've read they were moving towards that before 1914.
Austria-Hungary, no contest. Quite frankly, suggesting anything else is borderline ridiculous. On the one hand you have a prosperous, stable and rich country that has just had its take-off on the industrial level and on the other you have a deeply indebted, unstable and poor country.
It is a myth and frankly utter bullshit that these two are even close to be comparable.
It is a myth and frankly utter bullshit that these two are even close to be comparable.