More grandsons for Vladislaus of Opole

krieger

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Vladislaus of Opole was the great-grandson of Vladislaus the Elbow-High (King of Poland) and the duke of Opole. He was one of the most fervent opponents of Jogaila during his early reign in Poland. However, he had only daughters. Only one of these daughters (Catherine) manager to have children. But what if he had more grandsons? His eldest daughter, Elisabeth was married in 1374 to Jobst of Moravia. Say that the heir of Jobst is born around 1380 and bears the name John after his paternal grandfather. Birth of young John butterflies Hohenzollerns in Brandenburg and messes things with Luxembourg succesion (with additional male Luxembourg Bohemia is certainly going to him and he has a decent chance of getting Hungary. Meanwhile in Lithuania…, Andrei of Halshany is poisoned instead of brother of Jogaila, Vygunt Alexander. Vygunt was a husband of Vladislaus's daughter Hedwig and he was fairly young when he died, so let's say that he has a son with Hedwig, named Vladislaus (named after his paternal uncle, King Vladislaus II Jogaila and his maternal grandfather, Vladislaus of Opole). His position is going to rise soon, because his uncle has a problem with having male heirs, so Vladislaus Vyguntovich being prince of Cuyavia and heir of both Piasts (from Vladislaus the Elbow-High) and Gediminids is a perfect candidate for Jogaila's succesor. With Andrei of Halshany (father of Sophia of Halshany) poisoned before he sired children it is more than probable that Vladislaus Vyguntovich will succeed his uncle on the thrones of Poland and Lithuania. Meanwhile John of Luxembourg (or his descendants) are getting Bohemian, Brandenburgian and Imperial throne. So we have grandsons of Vladislaus of Opole ruling basically half of an Europe. @Jan Olbracht
 
Interesting (although there are theories, that Jobst was never married to daughter of Vladislaus of Opole, but for sake of this TL say he was). But...
Vladislaus Vyguntovich would be great-great-great grandson of Łokietek, that is quite distant relationship. And lack of Sophia of Halshany does not mean, that Jogaila would not look for another wife.
Sigismund of Luxembourg ITTL could marry his daughter to grandson of Jobst (if he has any), thus his whole inheritance would stay in family.
 

krieger

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Interesting (although there are theories, that Jobst was never married to daughter of Vladislaus of Opole, but for sake of this TL say he was). But...
Vladislaus Vyguntovich would be great-great-great grandson of Łokietek, that is quite distant relationship. And lack of Sophia of Halshany does not mean, that Jogaila would not look for another wife.
Sigismund of Luxembourg ITTL could marry his daughter to grandson of Jobst (if he has any), thus his whole inheritance would stay in family.

But it isn't guaranteed that he'd have surviving sons with this non-Halshany bride (and it's very, very unlikely that situation like this with Sophia of Halshany would repeat itself ITTL, it's like winning 1 milion USD twice), so Vladislaus Vyguntovich would stay heir. Yes it is quite distant relationship - but it's still better than none (as it was with sons of Sophia of Halshany), but if Jogaila isn't going to have surviving son he is a perfect heir - has a Piast blood and is also a male-line nephew of Jogaila. Jobst and Sigismund were rivals to the throne of Germany, so the marriage of Elisabeth with Jobst's grandson could not happen. I don't even know who John of Luxembourg could marry yet (I thought about daughter of Ruprecht III Wittelsbach or Joan II of Naples).
 
Jobst was Sigismund's rival but his grandson doesn't need to be.
Also, Jogaila himself was relative of Łokietek (great-grandson of Euphemia of Cuiavia, Łokietek's sister).
 

krieger

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Jobst was Sigismund's rival but his grandson doesn't need to be.
Also, Jogaila himself was relative of Łokietek (great-grandson of Euphemia of Cuiavia, Łokietek's sister).

But he didn't have ancestry from Łokietek himself, it's a big change. And yes, Jobst's grandson doesn't need to be, but it depends on his personality.
 
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But he didn't have ancestry from Łokietek himself, it's a big change. And yes, Jobst's grandson doesn't need to be, but it depends on his personality.
Jobst could have more than one grandson. If oldest one have bad relations with cousin Sigismund there are his brothers around
 

krieger

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Jobst could have more than one grandson. If oldest one have bad relations with cousin Sigismund there are his brothers around

It is a possibility. However, we should decide who is more probable bride for Jobst's son - Joan II of Naples or some Wittelsbach girl?
 
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