More French Guianas

What would it take to get more countries that integrate their former colonies into their political system, rather than granting them independence, like Fr. Guiana today?
 

Susano

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What would it take to get more countries that integrate their former colonies into their political system, rather than granting them independence, like Fr. Guiana today?

The question is IMO worded wrong. Its not like countries havent tried, but even in smaller territories resistance movements formed. Portugal for example - okay, so it wanted to kleep all colonies, which was not so bright, but even in tiny Portuguese Guinea (now Guinea-Bissau), a resistance movement controlle dhalf the territory eventually.

The colonies the colonial powers eventually kept were the not so important and not so populated ones. Granted, even those were often discarded afterwards, like French Smalia/French Territory of the Afar and Issa/Djibouti. Those kinda territoriescould have been kept most likely, but to do so would have needed a different aprpoach to democracy in Europe, as it would only be possible by ignoring the wishes of teh lcoal population, and that would require a different attitude in Europe, I think.
 
The question is IMO worded wrong. Its not like countries havent tried, but even in smaller territories resistance movements formed. Portugal for example - okay, so it wanted to kleep all colonies, which was not so bright, but even in tiny Portuguese Guinea (now Guinea-Bissau), a resistance movement controlle dhalf the territory eventually.

The colonies the colonial powers eventually kept were the not so important and not so populated ones. Granted, even those were often discarded afterwards, like French Smalia/French Territory of the Afar and Issa/Djibouti. Those kinda territoriescould have been kept most likely, but to do so would have needed a different aprpoach to democracy in Europe, as it would only be possible by ignoring the wishes of teh lcoal population, and that would require a different attitude in Europe, I think.
There might be the possibility of more freak Fr. Guiana cases, though, that is, colonies which, somehow, end up being an integrated, equal part of the political system of the 'mother country'.
But it won't be the norm, it just might have been slightly more common (IE, it might have occured for one small little colony somewhere else, for someone else).
 
Ho Chi Minh petitioned France on behalf of Indochina to become more integrated into the French government (This was before he became a communist). The French representative at the meeting slept through it, but it at least shows a willingness among at least some Indochinese to have an amicable solution with France.
 
Malta barley vote against integration with the UK in 1955 I believe, so if that had happened, it may set a precident for other small scale integrations.
 
I think that Surinam (Dutch Guyana) is a possibility. In 1975 they were basicly pushed towards independence because the Dutch government decided to get rid of all the colonies that were left. There was no major independence movement in Surinam and it wouldn't surprise me if they would have decided, like the Dutch Antilles, that they preferred to remain part of the Kindom of the Netherlands.
 
MAlta is the only really possible one for Britain...If that happened we may get a few other small places directly integrated too.
But integration really isn't the British way. They even let Mann and the Channel Isles govern themselves and they are on Britain's doorstep.
 
I don't know much about it, but perhaps British Honduras is a possibility for the UK?

Edit: Good reason would be a small-scale guatemalan attack, which would convince the Hondurans they were better off remaining under the complete protection of the UK.
 
MAlta is the only really possible one for Britain...If that happened we may get a few other small places directly integrated too.
But integration really isn't the British way. They even let Mann and the Channel Isles govern themselves and they are on Britain's doorstep.

But the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have a history of independent govenment, though...
 
So do British colonies.

Not on quite the same timescale, though... ;)

The Channel Islands and Isle of Man have been de jure independent eversince they belonged to the English (later British) Monarch in some way or form...

Which begs the question: Why didn't the Isle of Man become an English county? :confused:
 
Not on quite the same timescale, though... ;)

The Channel Islands and Isle of Man have been de jure independent eversince they belonged to the English (later British) Monarch in some way or form...

Which begs the question: Why didn't the Isle of Man become an English county? :confused:

A lot of colonies have been self-governing as long as they have existed. Don't confuse self-governing with independance.
Of course not as long as the micro nations of the British Isles but quite a while still- longer than the US has existed for many of them for instance.
 

Valdemar II

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Should Iceland count as a "Guyana", too, given its proximity to Denmark?

No, Iceland was given automi to early to really being a good choice for this challenge after 1864 I would say that Icelandic automi was inevitable, while I could see other European colonies with high European or assimilated population in precent end up as French Guianas if the also had a low population, if there was no WWI as an examble I could see Namibia end up as a German state.
 
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