More ethnic federations

CaliGuy

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Which other countries can realistically become USSR-style ethnic federations?

Also, bonus points if they end up imploding and breaking up just like the USSR did in our TL. :)

Anyway, any thoughts on this?
 

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The United States of Greater Austria is an obvious answer, as is a surviving Ottoman Empire. German Empire Mitteleuropa, as well. So basically, keep the Central Powers alive.

Avert WW2 or have the French government flee to Africa after defeat by the Kaiser, and you can create a Francophone African federation.

And while you're at it, add the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, although that's likely to lead to a terrible time for all non-Japanese within its borders.

Perhaps a communist/Christian socialist federation consisting of several Latin American countries?

There are of course two existing ethnic federations, India and Indonesia. The Philippines might count, too, depending on what you consider an ethnic federation.
 
The proposed union between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria goes ahead, laying the groundwork for a multi-ethnic Balkan Federation that includes Albania, a Greece that went Communist, and Romania. Communism eventually collapses as IOTL, and the Balkan Federation falls along with it.

Another idea might be getting the Intermarium idea going, but that's much easier said than done.
 
Brazil annexing Uruguay in the Cisplatine War (and perhaps pushing further into Argentina or Paraguay during the 19th century!) would result in a dual Spanish and Portuguese speaking Brazil, with the addition of the Guarani language if it includes Paraguay. It would have important repercussions in terms of exacerbating tensions between South and North Brazil which are already considerable in OTL.

The Ottoman Empire or Austria-Hungary surviving into the present would have been interesting to see... though the tensions would probably threaten to fracture these states at some point.

India and Pakistan (and Bangladesh) never partitioning would have been another interesting example, with a population larger than China it would become the most populous nation in the world.

Remove part of the European immigration to New Zealand and it suddenly becomes a 50-50 Anglo and Maori state, would also have been interesting to see the development of such a country.

Just some ideas.
 

CaliGuy

Banned
The United States of Greater Austria is an obvious answer,

Yep; however, didn't Franz Ferdinand simply want universal suffrage in Hungary rather than to implement that grand plan?

as is a surviving Ottoman Empire.

Not a federation, though.

German Empire Mitteleuropa, as well. So basically, keep the Central Powers alive.

Only if it becomes an actual federation rather than a mere ring of German puppet states, though.

Avert WW2 or have the French government flee to Africa after defeat by the Kaiser, and you can create a Francophone African federation.

It wouldn't be an ethnic federation, though.

And while you're at it, add the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, although that's likely to lead to a terrible time for all non-Japanese within its borders.

OK.

Perhaps a communist/Christian socialist federation consisting of several Latin American countries?

Not really an ethnic federation, though.

There are of course two existing ethnic federations, India and Indonesia. The Philippines might count, too, depending on what you consider an ethnic federation.

OK.
 
Some place in Africa?

Brazil annexing Uruguay in the Cisplatine War (and perhaps pushing further into Argentina or Paraguay during the 19th century!) would result in a dual Spanish and Portuguese speaking Brazil, with the addition of the Guarani language if it includes Paraguay. It would have important repercussions in terms of exacerbating tensions between South and North Brazil which are already considerable in OTL.

Considering Uruguay had barely over 100,000 people during the Cisplatine War, I think the region would be solidly Portuguese speaking, as long as Brazil makes immigrants and others speak Portuguese. I'd actually expect there to be as many or more Italian speakers in Uruguay than Spanish speakers by the 21st century TTL.

Now the 19th century might be a bit difficult there.
 
The United States of Greater Austria is an obvious answer, as is a surviving Ottoman Empire. German Empire Mitteleuropa, as well. So basically, keep the Central Powers alive.

Avert WW2 or have the French government flee to Africa after defeat by the Kaiser, and you can create a Francophone African federation.

And while you're at it, add the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, although that's likely to lead to a terrible time for all non-Japanese within its borders.

Perhaps a communist/Christian socialist federation consisting of several Latin American countries?

There are of course two existing ethnic federations, India and Indonesia. The Philippines might count, too, depending on what you consider an ethnic federation.

Negara Kesatuan Rakyat Indonesia means Unitary State of the Republic of Indonesia.

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But oh, the Dutch definitely tried that with their "police actions" to create their puppet "The Republic of the United States of Indonesia". And well there are "Revolutionary Government of the Republic of Indonesia", Permesta, and Westerling's "Angkatan Perang Ratu Adil"
 
There was a plan around 1872 to reform the Ottoman Empire into a federation of monarchies, loosely inspired by the German Empire. This plan was crafted and supported by some powerful figures (the Grand Vizier), and it also had the approval of some of the "Great Powers"; so while it went nowhere in OTL, there were ways it could have been made to work.

Now, whether this entity would qualify as an "ethnic" federation or not is hard to say.
 

CaliGuy

Banned
There was a plan around 1872 to reform the Ottoman Empire into a federation of monarchies, loosely inspired by the German Empire. This plan was crafted and supported by some powerful figures (the Grand Vizier), and it also had the approval of some of the "Great Powers"; so while it went nowhere in OTL, there were ways it could have been made to work.

Now, whether this entity would qualify as an "ethnic" federation or not is hard to say.
What were the exact monarchies involved?
 
Considering Uruguay had barely over 100,000 people during the Cisplatine War, I think the region would be solidly Portuguese speaking, as long as Brazil makes immigrants and others speak Portuguese.
I don't see it as clearly, New France had a population of 70,000 when Britain took over and you still have French speakers in Canada to this day.

Besides, Brazil will need to be accomodating with this new region or it will end up secceding away. Which means concessions in terms of language.
 

CaliGuy

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Romania, Serbia, Egypt and Tunisia; maybe Crete and Lebanon, and one or two other Arabian entities. With an earlier PoD, Circassia, Mingrelia and/or Montenegro might have also been included.
OK. Also, though, why exactly did this plan fail?
 
OK. Also, though, why exactly did this plan fail?

The Vizier in question, Midhat Pasha, made some powerful enemies. The ruler of Egypt and the Russian ambassador both disliked him for various reasons (mostly unrelated to the federalization plan), and they convinced the Sultan to fire him before his projects could get anywhere.

Another problem was how to lure Romania and Serbia away from the path of complete independence - for at least a few decades, anyway. But this might have been accomplished by some relatively small territorial concessions.
 
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