More Essex class carriers

Protecting your air power seems a good practical reason.

I'm struggling to see that as a justification for a full-size carrier, especially for Hong Kong. Put bluntly, it's a bad way to do it - very expensive, and with a whole lot of capabilities that aren't related to that job. If all you're worried about is the Chinese getting at your aircraft there are ways to protect them which don't cost as much.
You're correct that the PLAN didn't have much in the way of surface ships in the mid-60s, but they did have 30-odd SSKs which are quite capable of sinking a carrier. There's also the PLAAF, and specifically their version of the Tu-16. So the escort group will need to be able to handle ASW to at least a modest level, as well as having a substantial AAW component. Really, if all thats needed is somewhere else to base aircraft, why not reclaim a bit more of the South China Sea and build another airbase? It has to be cheaper than a carrier (and escorts, and air group, and shore establishment) and it's much harder to sink.

You're also proposing a 3-way split betweek the US, UK and Hong Kong in terms of operating the ships themselves. There is certainly precedent for HK working together with the British for defence, but it does raise questions (again) about what the carrier group will be used for. Who is actually in command? If the UK is providing the bulk of the crews, they might reasonably expect to decide what the carrier group does - in which case, it's unlikely to spend all it's time stooging around Hong Kong. The RN will think that it has much better things to do with a carrier than leave it on the other side of the planet.
On the other hand , the US is providing the ships and most of the air group. There will be a lot of pressure as the 1960s wear on for the carrier to take part in the Vietnam War, which may not be to the tastes of the other nations involved.
 
RE HK; If you go another look at the post where I first suggested HK I tried to construct a scenario where the carriers have the blessing on the UK.

As for Nigeria, there is no question that they could have had the money and the people to pull it off. however there is still the need for a damn good reason unless it is to face off against the South Africa that you speculated about?
The UK is never,ever going to allow the HK government to buy ,lease or even look at a colour photograph of a carrier. Cost apart ,logists ,training apart, its waaaaaaaaay too problematical politicaly.
 

Pangur

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The UK is never,ever going to allow the HK government to buy ,lease or even look at a colour photograph of a carrier. Cost apart ,logists ,training apart, its waaaaaaaaay too problematical politicaly.

The idea was the HK government foot the bill and it is under control of the RN. Longer term (after the immediate danger passes) the carriers can go where ever the RN want them to. Have a think about the dates

Cultural Revolution 1966-1976 with the heat off by 1971

now for the naughty bit

CVA01- cancelled 1966

I am going well out on an edge here however perhaps the idea would get the support of the RN if only as a way to keep fleet carriers
 
The idea was the HK government foot the bill and it is under control of the RN. Longer term (after the immediate danger passes) the carriers can go where ever the RN want them to. Have a think about the dates

Cultural Revolution 1966-1976 with the heat off by 1971

now for the naughty bit

CVA01- cancelled 1966

I am going well out on an edge here however perhaps the idea would get the support of the RN if only as a way to keep fleet carriers

The problem is the danger never passes.After about 1955 HK exists only because the existing military/political consequences of the PLA just marching in, late one sunday afternoon and politly escorting the British onto the Kowloon ferry and waving goodbye are easily sufficient as a deterent.
A carrier in those circumstances? superfluious if there ,useless if its not .
Don't worry there is a country out there I'm certain
 

Pangur

Donor
The problem is the danger never passes.After about 1955 HK exists only because the existing military/political consequences of the PLA just marching in, late one sunday afternoon and politly escorting the British onto the Kowloon ferry and waving goodbye are easily sufficient as a deterent.
A carrier in those circumstances? superfluious if there ,useless if its not .
Don't worry there is a country out there I'm certain

OK, I now consider the HK carrier horse to be well and truly flogged to death - poor nag!
 
OK, I now consider the HK carrier horse to be well and truly flogged to death - poor nag!
Yes its about time you gave us Phar lap back as well:D
Ok don't give up all you need is a map, some thought and a bit of imagination
Your country needs
A coast line
The wish /need to project power
Enemies ,actual or potential
Stability
Money ,lots of money
Suficient industrialisation to do non major repairs.
Allies preferably the US
A largish population
That will do for now Look at a map ,think up some pods and away you go !
here's a clue... before WW1 there was a dreadnought race like that between uk/imperial Germany ..In of all places South America:confused: ..look at Chilean territorial claims
 

Pangur

Donor
Chile and Argentina did get considered however Chile does not have a huge population. Question. what was the population of Australia in 1950? If we could field two carriers at the time then that seems to be the number too work with population wise
 
7 Million in 1945 then you guys had that 'populate or perish' thing at the same time Godzone had 1 million I'll guess by 1950 anothe two to you and 250,000 to us ?
 
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