More colonial powers in Africa?

How can we get more countries to own parts of Africa?
We want Swedens (Swedish Gold Coast) Denmark, Netherlands (South Africa), Austria, a Balkan country. Maybe a South American nation. The US? The Ottomen can keep stuff, too. Or too at least have countries (like Spain) be active in African colonialism. POD: after 1700
 
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BlondieBC

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After the Napoleonic Wars, the original idea was that Brazil got Angola and Mozambique. The UK vetoed this idea, so it should not be too hard to have the UK allow Angola to Brazil, and Mozambique to the Portuguese.

Seems like the Netherlands traded a small fort/port in West Africa for concessions in the Dutch East Indies. Easy to butterfly away this, if you are ok will a small colony.

US would be continued interest in Liberia, but I have bit more trouble writing this ATL.

As for the other powers, I guess you could probably keep a small port running for each of them. Probably by a private persons with some government support. And if they survive to the Rush for Africa, you get some very small colonies from these forts. I guess the key is keeping a small profit flowing back to the home country.
 
After the Napoleonic Wars, the original idea was that Brazil got Angola and Mozambique. The UK vetoed this idea, so it should not be too hard to have the UK allow Angola to Brazil, and Mozambique to the Portuguese.

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Do you have any sources or leads regarding this point? I'm interested to find out more about it. As far as I knew, Portugal was not interested in relinquishing its African colonies, especially not Angola, which as more "reliable" than Mozambique.

On the OP, I think the Netherlands could have been a much better contender than, for example, Belgium, in the late 19th Century. They had the Dutch Gold Coast (Guinea), but sold it to Britain, and in the early 18th Century had lost colonial outposts in eastern Africa (in Maputo Bay and the island of Mauritius). If you reverse these losses, coupled with a surviving Dutch Cape Colony, we might see interesting developments in a south-African focused colonial empire.

Austria always seemed much more concerned with European affairs than overseas' adventures, but I believe that they could perfectly outfit an official (even if privately-coordinated) expedition to somewhere in Africa or even India - as many countries actually did - before the UK gets busy in the east. This would make the Croatian and eastern Italian ports the gateways to their colonial empire. Perhaps they try to penetrate in Tunis, Libya and Egypt as means of thwarting the Ottoman domination in the eastern Mediterranean.

Also, we can always have Spain be more participative in the Scramble for Africa. For a country that once held the largest colonial empire, they got a really poor share of Africa during the 1880's. A stronger Spain (perhaps one that avoided the Carlist Wars) might put a more serious effort to conquer western Africa, possibly even anticipating the French annexation of Algeria.
 
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Also, we can always have Spain be more participative in the Scramble for Africa. For a country that once held the largest colonial empire, they a poor share of Africa during the 1880's. A stronger Spain (perhaps one that avoided the Carlist Wars or the Spanish-American War) might put a more serious effort to conquer western Africa, possibly even anticipating the French annexation of Algeria.

Spanish morrocco is very appealing for me, mainly for map painting reasons.
 

BlondieBC

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Do you have any sources or leads regarding this point? I'm interested to find out more about it. As far as I knew, Portugal was not interested in relinquishing its African colonies, especially not Angola, which as more "reliable" than Mozambique.

On the OP, I think the Netherlands could have been a much better contender than, for example, Belgium, in the late 19th Century. They had the Dutch Gold Coast (Guinea), but sold it to Britain, and in the early 18th Century had lost colonial outposts in eastern Africa (in Maputo Bay and the island of Mauritius). If you reverse these losses, coupled with a surviving Dutch Cape Colony, we might see interesting developments in a south-African focused colonial empire.

Austria always seemed much more concerned with European affairs than overseas' adventures, but I believe that they could perfectly outfit an official (even if privately-coordinated) expedition to somewhere in Africa or even India - as many countries actually did - before the UK gets busy in the east. This would make the Croatian and eastern Italian ports the gateways to their colonial empire. Perhaps they try to penetrate in Tunis, Libya and Egypt as means of thwarting the Ottoman domination in the eastern Mediterranean.

Also, we can always have Spain be more participative in the Scramble for Africa. For a country that once held the largest colonial empire, they got a really poor share of Africa during the 1880's. A stronger Spain (perhaps one that avoided the Carlist Wars) might put a more serious effort to conquer western Africa, possibly even anticipating the French annexation of Algeria.

We have at least one thread on this board on this topic. There may even be a full ATL.
 

ben0628

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1) Greece could get part coastal Eastern Libya.
2) Ottomans could maintain Egypt and parts of Libya.
3) Netherlands can keep the Cape Colony.
4) Perhaps Oman can make a deal with Great Britain to keep Zanzibar (doubtful).
5) United States never gives independence to Liberia.
6) I could see a Scandinavian country grab something small.
7) Yemen (or 19th century equivalent) gets Eritrea.
 
Inspired by the cliche thread, I'm gonna try to imagine how (in the world) Bulgaria could get colonies.

Treaty of San Stefano is accepted and we get mega-Bulgaria, who in followup Ottoman wars gets support from Russia and Germany (who stays allied to Russia ITTL) and takes Constantinople. As Ottomans fall apart at the turn of the 20th century, colonial powers' discussions on how to divvy up the empire include Bulgaria, who is granted part of Cilicia due to Russian strong arming.

None of this is remotely possible, but it's the best I can come up with on short notice.
 

ben0628

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Inspired by the cliche thread, I'm gonna try to imagine how (in the world) Bulgaria could get colonies.

Treaty of San Stefano is accepted and we get mega-Bulgaria, who in followup Ottoman wars gets support from Russia and Germany (who stays allied to Russia ITTL) and takes Constantinople. As Ottomans fall apart at the turn of the 20th century, colonial powers' discussions on how to divvy up the empire include Bulgaria, who is granted part of Cilicia due to Russian strong arming.

None of this is remotely possible, but it's the best I can come up with on short notice.

How is this relavant to colonialism in Africa?
 
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