The ERE(they never called themselves that way) was always belittle the west because that and here they've two pretenders, still dunno what the Bataids will do nextthe Byzantines did so just fine
The ERE(they never called themselves that way) was always belittle the west because that and here they've two pretenders, still dunno what the Bataids will do nextthe Byzantines did so just fine
The Byzantines were called Romans as the East Roman Empire by the people of their times, Byzantines is a modern term to differentiate the old Roman Empire more from the later Eastern Roman mainly Greek, not Latin influenced one.the Byzantines did so just fine
Given the massive army/navy that the Roman Empire wields, only Hungary and Egypt stand in the Bataids' way towards them conquering Italy or the Osterreich of the HRE in the future, and I don't like their odds. Even Ifriqiya could be under threat of being under the submission of the Romans, despite Andalusian naval superiority in the region. I doubt that the Romanians and the Genoans could fight head to head against the Romans invading Meridiana or even Italy proper in a serious campaign, especially under a gifted Emperor.They still need to get the Roman/Italian peninsula and Beat Romania....
I call them ERE...as that was they where.The Byzantines were called Romans as the East Roman Empire by the people of their times, Byzantines is a modern term to differentiate the old Roman Empire more from the later Eastern Roman mainly Greek, not Latin influenced one.
I would like see that happen nowGiven the massive army/navy that the Roman Empire wields, only Hungary and Egypt stand in the Bataids' way towards them conquering Italy or the Osterreich of the HRE in the future, and I don't like their odds. Even Ifriqiya could be under threat of being under the submission of the Romans, despite Andalusian naval superiority in the region. I don't think that the Romanians and the Genoans could fight head to head against the Romans invading Meridiana or even Italy proper, especially under a gifted Emperor.
It took multi-nation alliances/coalitions to fully contain Ottoman interests both in sea and on land. I can fully expect the same for the Romans, who might be fielding larger armies and fleets than the OTL Turks.
Once I can devote some time to getting a few basic pages together, sure.I have a question about the Wiki: Are we allowed to help contribute to the pages, because I'd love to help!
Here's an emblem of the Asmarids in the same vein as the OTL Marinids, since this was easy to do.
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The MiaJ Eastern Roman Empire / OTL Byzantine Empire still had to deal with a pretender in the HRE and they still call themselves the Roman Empire, because they know they are true Romans. It's arguably the same for the Bataids and the Romans/Rumani when it comes to the HRE and Romania.But they're the roman empire, they can't be that one without the first one or a pretender calling himself rome.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/mof-16-the-caliphate-of-rûm.158514/#post-3406587 Maybe this could be Bataid dream?
my post said they called themselves romans just fine so I don't get what you're trying to say hereThe Byzantines were called Romans as the East Roman Empire by the people of their times, Byzantines is a modern term to differentiate the old Roman Empire more from the later Eastern Roman mainly Greek, not Latin influenced one.
But they're the roman empire, they can't be that one without the first one or a pretender calling himself rome.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/mof-16-the-caliphate-of-rûm.158514/#post-3406587 Maybe this could be Bataid dream?
What are you specifying about Egypt? North Africa is Sunni, not Shia, but Egypt is on the verge of switching allegiances to the Umayyads to maintain their own independence. The Bayadhids trying to keep themselves in the Roman sphere is only going to lead them to being conquered and annexed since they virtually have no allies without the support of Al-Andalus. At least there's a chance of an independent Egypt if they do bend the knee to the Umayyad Caliph in Qurtubah.Iran from the map update seems actually a glass canon they could take all of iran if they play carefully also Egypt needs to brought to heal time to bring north africa under control they are allowing heretics to gain more influence.
Persians obviously still exist even with the conquest of the majority of the Mezinid territories by the Irbisid Tabans. They're a resilient people that have survived multiple invasions both in MiaJ and in OTL (especially OTL), all while absorbing their conquerors or influencing their neighbors through Persianization. A good example is probably the Nimanni Sultanate, who are pretty similar to the Mughals as a Persianate steppe group.Does persian even exist anymore?
im refering to the different schools of thought as heretics as i've been reading alot of 40k today. Also both sides are coming to very heated arguments over theology. Also andalusia will not be able to muster a army big enough and get it sent egypt to protect if bataids are a military power foremost.What are you specifying about Egypt? North Africa is Sunni, not Shia, but Egypt is on the verge of switching allegiances to the Umayyads to maintain their own independence. The Bayadhids trying to keep themselves in the Roman sphere is only going to lead them to being conquered and annexed since they virtually have no allies without the support of Al-Andalus. At least there's a chance of an independent Egypt if they do bend the knee to the Umayyad Caliph in Qurtubah.
The snow leopard khan update states its a general turkic style kingdom so will most likely collapse after his death. Irbisids don't exist anymore the Nasrids replaced them and they have already lost libya. North africa is weak bataids have a valid they should move in.As for Iran and the Irbisids, they're still a pretty huge threat as a nomadic steppe army to the Roman Empire, although the Bataids' army composition is probably the most favorable to fighting the steppe armies in like ever, having enough cavalry and horse archers to contend with the Tabans, especially in a region like Mesopotamia, where I think both nations would contend with.
Why A Cube? Andorra have the good luck is useful both side of the pyrennesAlso got a critism of polandball art why is urgrell not a cube clearly they are special they have been able to hide their existence from andalusia and romania.
urgell has kept itself safe from being ruled by both sides seemingly being hidden, clearly alien tech is involved. Andorra co ruler is the french president.Why A Cube? Andorra have the good luck is useful both side of the pyrennes
Honestly a possibility I'm really interested in is the Bataids not taking the road of there is one Roman Emperor all others are mere pretenders, because of course there were frequently more than one emperor in antiquity, the east was just pre-eminent, and when the west "fell" the Byzantines saw it as they assumed authority as singular emperors over the entire indivisible empire again. There was always the possibility of a Byzantine emperor creating an emperor in the west again, should they want to. So instead of outright denying that the holy Roman emperor could ever be Roman emperor, the Bataids could be pushing the ideology that of course the holy Roman emperor can be brother emperor in the west as long as they accept the east as their superiors. It would definitely add a variable to German politics if a particular prince is promised that should he defect and join the Bataids, he will be confirmed as brother emperor in the west.
Or if the Romanians decide that they need to secure that Bataid alliance against Asmarids/ the holy Roman emperor, they could support Bataid expansion into Hungary and maybe even northern Italy if it means that they'll be recognised as western emperor by Bataid vassals.
Why would the Bataids ever respect the Papacy and their sovereignty over Rome and the Papal States? They're probably the state that cares the least about whatever influence and power that the Pope has and have all the reasons to take the city of Rome for themselves.Bataids allie the papacy to help them fend off the germans.
HRE is much more powerful and did push back the bataids. Bataids can make papacy support their true roman claim. Also how is Bataids going to get to rome? through land requires defeating HRE and hungary, by sea means facing the merchant republics.Why would the Bataids ever respect the Papacy and their sovereignty over Rome and the Papal States? They're probably the state that cares the least about whatever influence and power that the Pope has and have all the reasons to take the city of Rome for themselves.
Obviously the Bataids are going to have to demolish Hungary in order to secure a land route towards the Osterreich or Italy proper, and they can't exactly hold prolonged campaigns in Italy by sea without securing the entire Eastern Med. Hungary, Egypt, and Persia would most likely be the first targets of the Roman Empire in the late 15th/16th century, similar to how Selim I and Suleiman each conquered Egypt and Rhodes to secure their core territories before moving westward. The fates of those states and the aftermath of such events is what's going to define the Bataids either as a boogeyman or a real existential threat on Western Europe.HRE is much more powerful and did push back the bataids. Bataids can make papacy support their true roman claim. Also how is Bataids going to get to rome? through land requires defeating HRE and hungary, by sea means facing the merchant republics.
That is South France/Romania ITTL.Avenhon/Avignon
I want the Later, the busier they're on Italy/Rome and with European, the less they might bother the Ummaydsa real existential threat on Western Europe