Moonlight Dawn upon West: Tales of Failed Battle of Tours

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  1. Threadmarks: ACT I: The Beginnings

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    With My Own New TL, where Arabs invent the gunpowder first, then second, the Umayyads overrun France and Italy, and thanks to who's discussed al-Andalus, Islamic France, and Islamic Italy on these forums over the years for leaving behind a massive body of discussion to trawl through over the past several months, and of course to the authors of the various primary and academic sources drawn upon, adapted and thrown for a loop to inform what's here. Let's see how this goes, and how much damage the butterflies from a few changes in a distant corner of medieval Europe can do to everything else in the world.
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    Now the Dawn has risen over the Glory of Allah,
    and the rivers that flows in Lawwiya [1]
    and i prayed almost for preparing a good battle
    and we will bow down their enemies
    upon victory

    Our crescent will sweep as we won
    the war and we can still hold
    hand-cannons, the forces will
    be done and it is now time to
    show enemies without hand-cannons.

    Time to crush their enemies

    - Abdul Rahman, Caliph of Umayyad (r. 690-750)
    Excerpt: The Rise of Firanja - Mouhammaud ibn de Raumbaux, AH 1087 (AD 1677)

    Chapter 1
    The Maurauding War against Christian Firanjans
    and the beginning of age of Crescent in Al-Ghailya
    On the eve of Battle of Tursiyah [1], Abdul Rahman began to use Arab-made hand-canon[2] to destroy the remaining christian Firanjans, but before the battle, he arranged and divided 50,000 to 30,000 and 20,000 with hand-canon, he ordered to use newly invented binocular scopes to watch our for christian Firanjan forces.

    and later he ordered to use go-signal to shot outnumbered Firanjan forces, while Firanjan forces have only cavalry, and forces with no hand-canons, then more than 10,000 to 13,000 Firanjan forces were shot, for Firanjans, it was not aware about new weapons that Arabs made, then palace mayor and commander Charles [3] was shot and killed by 2 Umayyad forces, upon death, the battle continued until last Firanjans killed or shot.

    In the next day, when Charles killed, remaining commanders told that "Leave the battle before onslaught" candidly wrote the Hispagnol[4] Chronicles, "all of us are dead now", Firanjan forces have no choice but to surrender.

    After the greatest battle, the Umayyads has now victorious and triumph, commander Abdaulrammen [5] march on the Saine [6] and enters royal palace, this marked the end of Christian rule in Firanja, many Firanjans are not aware about Umayyad rule and gets enslaved, converted to pre-Northern and Sunni Islam, he sent soldiers to rule all of Fransa, he declared that "Moonlight dawn upon West" where he triumphs as they won the war.

    After fall of Christian Franja, he implements jizya tax or forcibly convert to Islam to citizens of former Christian Firanjans, Umayyad Caliphate extended to Fransa, he called "Caliph of Fransa" where his dreams passed to another Caliph and his ambitions to reach Roma [7], before AH 390 (AD 1000) and to build strong navy that can be powerful.

    When populations in former Christian Firanja is changed, the Islamic population grows to 34,500 people and Christian population shrinks to 12,400 in the first census of Umayyads in AH 127 (AD 745), the Language population is now altered: Arabic population slowly grows to 8,000, while Gallo-Roman-Arabic population grows fast to 23,000, and while Gallo-Roman population shrinks to 17,000, which lead to formation of Fransan language[8] and identity, while in the parts of Christian Firanja, the Gallo-Roman dialect breaks off from Gallo-Roman-Arabic dialect and creole which lead to formation of Wallonian[9] language.

    The age marks the beginning of Grand Caliphate and Reformation[10].

    [1] Tours, France
    [2] Rifle
    [3] Charles Martel, 686-732 AD
    [4] Arabized hybrid Romance language
    [5] Fransan name for Abd-ul Rahman
    [6] Seine
    [7] Rome, Italy
    [8] French language that ended up like Spanish
    [9] Analogous to French Language, survivor of Arab Invasion
    [10] Analogous to Christianity, soon a Muslim Martin Luther
     
  2. Intransigent Southerner Well-Known Member

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    Where does the technological background for such massive technological innovations come from?
     
  3. Gabzcervo Timeline raises FAQs

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    Arabia or Umayyad Caliphate, where Arabs and Chinese had invented gunpowder, then binocular scopes to utilize to get easier Umayyad victory at the Battle of Tours
     
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    The Chinese didn't yet have gunpowder, and it takes centuries to go from gunpowder to rifles.

    How exactly are the Arabs making these binoculars?
     
  5. Threadmarks: Intermission: Birth of Gunpowder and Binocular scopes

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    Intermission
    Excerpt: Invention of Gunpowder and Binocular scopes:
    In the house of Hisham [1], he puts saltpeter into his charcoal bowl and he wrote on his paper "Last, drop the candles to test" when he saw his writings, he prepared to use
    ropes and connect with candles, so he prepare to test by moving away from his home and puts fire on the candles before he leaves his home.

    Upon leaving rope extended and Hisham use scissors or knife to cut it and cover his ears, then drops the candle and boom!, the first invention of gunpowder recorded in Arab chronicles, he began to put saltpeter and charcoal into his wooded, polished long-wooded flute and he adds carved balls on his favorite long-wooded flute and he wrote on his paper "Make long-wooded flute and add puncher and switch to get work" when he touch switch, first gun exploded, becoming Hand-Cannon [2], when he passed his secret works to artisans and newly-skilled gunpowder maker, Hisham whisphered to Caliph that they will use and mass produce, when Caliph ordered mass-production, Caliph told to Abd-ul Rahman "use it for 50,000 for greatest victory".

    When Hand-Cannon used, it will be easy to have Umayyads won the battle, with triumph victory, he began to use it if Christian Firanjans disobey orders, but on the other hand, the Arab hand-cannon also left, allowing Franks to acquire Arab/Umayyad technology, and spreads to Christian world to launch marauding attacks on pagans.

    With hand-cannon used in Umayyad invasion of Asturias, Caliph consolidates all of Hispagne, Gaiulle, and Italie [3], he called "Caliph of the Al-Gharb", he renamed it to Caliphate of Al-Gharb and Roma, to make revival of ancient Rome, hand-cannon used in many wars and jihads.

    In the Faisal's blacksmith house, Faisal [1] began to make his glass but round and he doubled it and began to make and carve the long-ranged circle and install 4 rounded glass, and he test it. Upon testing he saw distant houses and people walking arround, then his friend Hisham began to mass produce and use it for military, his words spread to Caliph's ears, Caliph told Abd-ul Rahman that he will use Binocular scopes to look for incoming enemies and warn to open fire before enemies launch battle with the armies.

    Binocular scopes is the most use for reconnaissance and intelligence, but not only reconnaissance, but to look at the enemy forces and warn them to open fire on enemies.

    *Obtained from the book of Hisham and Faisal superior technology, with permission in Parisia Librare, Parisia, Fransa
     
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    Fransan is OTL Catalan and Occitan due to the north being the one bombarded.
     
  7. FillyofDelphi Banned

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    Mass Production dosen't exist yet. You're moving from one artisan using imprecise hand tools with a barely-tested method (barely even undersanding the principals involved, I imagine), to being able to produce in the tens of thousands dependable, not-going-to-explode-in-your-hands weapons at a reasonable cost with artisans who're being rushed through training in an era of limited communications at a rate that would make people's heads literally spin.
     
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    Yes, this TL isn't particularly realistic... but I like it anyway. I hope you continue.
     
  9. Threadmarks: ACT II: The Disunity War

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    This was all wrong. All are wrong and false

    He watches chaos in the streets of Marseilles/Marsaillia as peasants fighting with soldiers, they called "Franks are dead!" - he heard - and violence break out, he prepare for meeting with soldiers.

    The named is Liuperdic [2], he also plan to prepare for uncertain future and possible invasions by Arab, he decided to create provisional kingdom to protect Burgundy from the Arabs, he prepares to another tough war.

    He hoped that holy land could be protected from advanced Arabs and he plan to use strategic techniques to launch intelligence gathering.

    As his meeting ends, Liuperdic comes out and hold his sword, crushing peasants, leaving his palace and launch rebellion against weakened Franks.

    By now as his followers captured cities in Burgundy, he proclaimed as King, he seize the title "King of Burgundy", now the Frankish struggle war has begun.

    Excerpt: Disunity War and the Intermediate Period - Prof. Heinrike von Schaffer, University of Hamburg Department of History, Imperial Press, 1968

    Chapter 2
    The Maurauding War against Christian Firanjans
    and the beginning of age of Crescent in Al-Ghailya

    With following death of Charles Martel, Interegnum completely collapses and the entire Kingdom plunges into 2-year civil war, with Pepin gains support for Austrasia, while Carloman gains support in Franconia, and the revolt of Liuperdic [1].

    With Liuperdic crowned as King of Burgundy, he launches campaigns for Carloman, while Pepin the Short also mobilizes and launch tactical attacks on Carloman forces, launches military campaigns to claim Pepin as right to heir to the King of Franks.

    The Battle of Zurich ends with Carloman's forces victory, gradually pushed the Pepin's forces back, a duke gains assistance and protection from Carloman's forces, he plan to launch marauding attacks on Carloman's forces in Geneva [2].

    With Pepin's secret training, he used the mercenaries from Lombardy and the Eastern Rome, he launch huge counterattack on their Carloman's forces, he attempts to prioritize the Geneva's battle, but unfortunately, he needs to attack in only distance away from Geneva.

    With Pepin's prioritization failed, he traveled to outskirts of Geneva to commence counterattack on Carloman's forces, the battle starts with only 60,000 forces (20,000 light cavalry, 10,000 light infantry and pikeman, 10,000 mercenaries) to launch huge marauding counterattack, but then the Pepin's forces was greatly outnumbered by 70,000-86,000 forces (30,000 light cavalry, 30,000 mercenaries, 10,000 light infantry, 10,000 pikeman), he fears that there could be another Tours, but he knows that he plan to launch ambush attacks on Carloman's forces, the battle continued and the casualties of both sides are 5,000 for Pepin's forces and 12,000 for Carloman's forces, but he needs help from Burgundy, so his forces receives reinforcements from Burgundy so the battle continued and it's easy to win the war.

    However on December 6, 120 AH (738 AD), the winter comes and also Pepin's forces suffered casualties due to winter, with the casualties for both sides are 26,420 Pepin's forces and 2,000 for Carloman's forces, but the thanks to adaption, the Carloman's forces gain huge battles and Pepin the Short orders all forces retreat to Ulm. the battle of Geneva ends with Carloman's forces and allies victory.

    With the disastrous Battle of Geneva, he launches battle plans when the winter ends, he was suddenly called by Duke of Franconia when the Carloman's troops are besieging Aachen, when he come out and orders all forces to launch advanced attacks on Carloman's forces and allies, group of mercenaries reinforced their Pepin's forces on March 19, 121 AH (739 AD), he prepared for huge brutal ultimate counterattack on Carloman's troops.

    Battle of Aachen starts from March 19 - April 19 121 AH (739 AD), With Pepin's forces estimated 80,000 - 100,000 forces and Carloman's forces estimated 70,000 - 85,000, Pepin's troops and allies launch marauding attack on Carloman's forces, he smashes and killed 10,000 Carloman's forces he ordered 50,000 troops to form a vertical flank and use shields to resist Carloman's attack and on the back, he ordered 50,000 troops to form a vertical flank on the back and resist ambush from Carloman's troops, the casualty of the battle on the first week is estimated 11,300 for Pepin's forces and 40,000 for Carloman's forces.

    When he launch cavalry attack, he overruns and killed 5,000 soldiers, 2,000 crossbow troops launches attack on 20,000 Carloman's cavalry, he ordered vertical line troops to break the line and fight against 15,000 forces, Burgundian King Liuperdic was killed when crossbow hits on his chest and his horse fell, King Pepin launches looting attack on Carloman's camps and he burnt 5 Carloman's camps, 20,000 mercenaries smashed the Carloman's troops, King Carloman was killed when he stabbed by 2 Pepin's mercenaries.

    When Pepin launch ambush attack on the remaining Carloman's forces on the back, he smashed and destroyed 15,000 Carloman's troops, with no more Carloman's troops, the Battle of Aachen ends with Pepin's forces victory, casualty estimated 70,000 to 84,000 for Carloman's troops and while for Pepin's troops, the casualty is estimated at 40,000.

    With Carloman and Liuperdic killed, the Umayyads take advantage of the battle by invading Burgundy and Alamania [3], group of Umayyad rifflemen marched on the streets of Marsaillia [4], they marched and created puppet march [5].

    The Disunity War marks the beginning for Carolingian Age and the eventual expansion into Italy, with sources that caused creation of Al-Gharb Caliphate.

    [1] Fictional Name
    [2] Genevra, the Fransan name, and the OTL name of Swiss city.
    [3] Name for Southern Germany before it changed to 19th Century AD, OTL
    [4] Fransan name for Marseilles
    [5] Al-Gharb version of OTL Marches/Frankish Marches
     
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