Moonlab (1974-81)

NASA lifting bodies program was prof of concept
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they wanted more like test at higher speed like the X-24C program and Orbital test
but the budget cut in 1970 and shuttle program terminate the lifting bodies program mid 1970s with x-24B

the USAF was eager for x-24A based lifting bodies for there manned program replace Gemini on MOL.
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I remember reading something about the X-15 and the lifting bodies and the author speculated that if not for the pressure to get to the moon before 1971, then spacecraft probably would have taken the space plane route from the get go.

Yes, but a lot of our AH space experts seem to think that would be going down a primrose path of unnecessary inefficiency. That ballistic capsules with minimal dynamic lift capability--just enough to have some control over the descent path so it doesn't drift into fatal extremes, and no ability to fly around once subsonic speeds are reached other than landing rockets and parachutes or parawings--will always be cheaper, lighter, and therefore for a given state of the art and budget safer. That there is no worthwhile advantage in going the extra mile for better aerodynamic abilities, not in the hypersonic braking regime and not in the subsonic or low supersonic gliding/cruising regime.

That's a bit weasel-worded; an arguable advantage of better hypersonic lift to drag ratios would be that the decelleration can be slower, which opens up space travel to less robust potential passengers or cargo. If you try to suggest, "ah, isn't it better to be able to make up for a non-optimal descent location (as might be forced on one by being in an orbit where it would take a long time for the right descent point for the ideal landing site to come by) by having a long and steerable glide path?" they'd sneer and say "Pick the right descent point in the first place, n00b!" If you suggest that it's nice to land the thing like an airplane they'll say Apollo with water recovery or Soyuz with its braking rockets works just fine. Or that one can put a parawing on a capsule and put landing skids on it and that would work just fine too.

So having dismissed the other reasons and apparently declared that space travel is not for wimps who can't take 5 Gs, they quite correctly point out that the genius of a ballistic capsule is precisely that it gets the braking done as quickly as possible and with a minimum of area exposed to the plasma-heat of the braking in the atmosphere. That also favors a very compact volume with minimal surface area, hence lighter. Also a lightweight capsule can be briskly removed via an escape tower from an exploding launch rocket whereas a more aerodynamically capable version must mass more, hence it is more costly and challenging to do that--the logical conclusion being the STS that simply had no viable way of saving the crew if something went wrong on the most critically dangerous parts of its launch path. (Ejection seats might have saved some astronauts from some conceivable failures but would have done neither the crews of Challenger nor Columbia the least good).

And by the time the X-15 was actually flying missions OTL, the advantages of ballistic capsule reentry were well known in the US and presumably Soviet astronautical community. When the studies were done working out the minimal theoretically attainable exposure to reentry heat for a spaceplane versus a capsule, in the 1950s, they were classified in the USA, so perhaps all talk of likely spacecraft that was cleared for general publication continued to stress spaceplanes, for reasons of disinformation in the interest of national security.:rolleyes: I'm not sure when the classification was downgraded, presumably when it was confirmed that the Soviets knew the score too, but by then the public exposure to spaceship concepts would all have been of the X-15 type, leading to general bewilderment when NASA immediately went with capsules instead.

Personally, I just plain like spaceplanes; I've been in love with the HL-20 proposal ever since I first read up on it, probably two years ago by now. They are cool as all hell and just look right so I feel kind of hurt and embarrassed when I petition the current pantheon of AH space gods if we could have one please. Knowing their contempt I don't have the same trust they'll deliver as cool and nifty a design as I think they could if they believed in it.:(

But then, I like the early Kehlet and related proposals for lenticular capsules too, even though I know they have some drawbacks also. I don't have the gumption to go to Encyclopedia Astronautica to show the various Apollo designs; it so happens just in the past couple weeks I've been exposed to yet another such proposal, this one Japanese.

So since no one actually does lenticular no matter what Dr. Kehlet said about it (and to be fair, the worst Achilles heel I know of about the version NASA did landing tests on--it lands great on land, but tends to skip and bounce on the water:eek:) I guess you should take my opinions with a grain of salt.:eek:
 
Is it physically possible for a spaceplane to reach orbit if it takes off like a normal plane, even if it might take a few midair refuelings?

If that can be worked out I think that'd be where the advantage is. No need for launch pads, any airport runway long enough will do.
 
Is it physically possible for a spaceplane to reach orbit if it takes off like a normal plane, even if it might take a few midair refuelings?

If that can be worked out I think that'd be where the advantage is. No need for launch pads, any airport runway long enough will do.

Any spaceplane is going to take more heat input on reentry than a capsule of the same mass, that's basic physics. And that's why it's an advanced idea, not a basic one.

Yes, if it is a Skylon and uses over half its volume (but far less than half its total propellant mass) for airbreathing propulsion to 1600 meters/sec and aerodynamic lift to the high stratosphere! (No refueling required!) Oh and if the bimodal airbreathing/rocket SABRE engines, that use more than half the hydrogen consumed in the airbreathing phase (lots of volume but low mass, remember) just to chill the incoming supersonic air to manageable temperatures actually work as advertised. Which is cutting edge tech even today, not available in the 1970s or '80s, and it's still secret just how the air chillers are supposed to avoid getting clogged with frost, so we can't judge the probability that will work or what it might have taken to get it to work in 1980.

Yes, according to some people, if you use hydrogen peroxide/kerosene propellant, launch two spaceplanes, and have the payload of one of them be the re"fueling" mass for the other halfway to orbit. I put "fueling" in scare quotes because actually the reason they want to use high test peroxide, aside from the fact that it is quite dense, is that in terms of mass ratio of oxidant to fuel peroxide it is on the very high side, so it is possible to load in all the kerosene the second plane needs to reach orbit as an afterthought, as it were, of the total mass and volume of propellent needed-something like 7/8 the propellant needed is peroxide. So the other plane only needs to dock and transfer over just peroxide, you don't have to mess with transferring two fluids.

I don't know about that; I kept trying to do the math and concluded the refueling plane needs to be way bigger than the orbiter one, not the same size as they tried to show. At whatever suborbital speed both cut off their first stage ascent, you need the ratio of first-stage burnout mass to takeoff (or launch, to make this try to work well they want to launch each spaceplane from a high-altitude subsonic carrier jet, not take off from the ground--actually the plan is for both to take off from the ground but with little propellant, just enough to get them to the stratospheric tanker jets) mass to be the same for both craft since both are using the same engines, therefore the total peroxide payload the tanker rocketplane can carry equals the mass of the remaining kerosene onboard plus payload--then the loaded peroxide plus remaining fuel has to be in the same ratio to the spaceplane plus payload mass as was the total mass of propellant burnt up on the first stage to the larger kerosene plus plane plus payload--I dunno, trying to figure out just how far into the total burn it is best to make the first stage burn last so that two identical rocketplanes can deliver the most payload on the orbital one was making my head spin.

Plus, of course, the refueling rocketplane reaches a much lower speed, so it doesn't need anything like the thermal protection the other one does to reenter and be reusuable. They try to sell the idea on the two planes being interchangeable, for economy dontcha know, but it seems to me they have very different missions and should be designed differently to optimize the system.

Also, the docking and fuel transfer mission--isn't impossible by any means, but I think the time available for the two to coast at zero g relative to each other, dock, then transfer propellant is pretty limited, a couple minutes at best, before you have coasted to the apogee of the suborbital arc they are in and are now losing altitude and gaining undesirable downward velocity.

So it's kind of delicate and risky, time-limited, requires four craft (all reusable to be sure, if the orbital one can take reentry and not require major refurbishment)--two rocketplanes, two refueling tankers (you obviously want both craft topped off and ready to go at the same moment hence two tanker planes). Sure, they can all take off from a runway--but either the payload is tiny compared to what a big off the shelf tanker plane can loft, or else we have to make really gigantic new types of tanker airplane!

Of these two I like Skylon best, assuming it can work as advertised. Reaction Motors is really optimistic about it; so were STS designers, recall.:rolleyes: I want Skylon to work but I'll feel a lot better touting it when they've flown something using those SABRE engines.

If Skylon works, it is supposed to be a matter of--land one aerospacecraft from orbit. (Big volume plus small amount of residual hydrogen for cooling plus advanced heat-resistant insulating fuselage and wings equals slow, easy braking high up followed by supersonic glide and jet propelled landing using up the last hydrogen, at some ridiculously low landing weight like 70 tonnes, 10 of that down-payload). Unload the payload, load in another payload to orbit (containerized, it just pops into the payload bay as a secured canister) and fill up most of the fuselage volume with more liquid hydrogen and some small tanks with oxygen for the orbital rocket burn. Meanwhile run automated diagnostics to verify the airframe and engines are still OK--then wheel it straight out onto the runway where it takes off aerodynamically, burning hydrogen again. Fly it to orbit, release or deposit one payload, grab another down load in its own canister for return, deorbit and round and round we go.

Not only do they stress you can run it off any airfield (well not really, for takeoff the runway needs to be reinforced because of the weight of all the oxygen--and of course you need proper Skylon maintenance facilities at the landing port) but the point is to reduce the large costs that come with assembling and checking out a traditional multistage rocket. That and the whole thing is reusable, but the main thing is, you don't have to mate separate parts together every time you want to launch. It's all one piece.

I haven't seen a lot of other believable ideas for spaceplanes, even flocks of them with lots of refueling involved, that can take off from normal runways--even Skylon actually can't.

This is why my own dreams of really cheap access to orbit typically involve Lofstrom Loops or orbital ring-and-tether systems or some such. Avoid the rockets as much as we can!
 
On Singel Stage Spaceplane
they work, but question is how much payload you want in Orbit ?

the easy way is a rocket plane take off like aircraft get refuel by K-135 tanker and fly up.
Oxygen / Kerosine would ideal for this mode, but do to fuel/oxidizer ratio, the tanker must refuel liquid oxygen to space plane.
alternative would be hydrogen peroxide / Kerosine

Another way is launch by rocket engine then switch on ramjet, then scream jet engine, then again rocket engine.
here Oxygen / hydrogen work. well but payload is low.

Air-breading rocket engine like SABRE or LANCE and the RB545 engine are on edged of thermodynamic and engineering.
and for 1970s still utopia, until in late 1980s the RB545 made tests, still classified under Official Secrets Act.
but the Air-breading rocket engine give best Payload rate for Spaceplane

Skylon launch weight 275,000. kg with payload of 15,000. kg
 
After I rewrite it once or twice, I hope to add 'for sale on kindle' to that list. :cool:

I need to hurry up and rewrite some of my older fiction. The sooner I can maintain a constant selling of a 1000 copies of all my stuff total, the sooner I don't need to have a real job.
 
V) Last Flight

The launch of Moonlab XI met with delay following the mishaps of Moonlab X. By April 1978, there was serious talk in Congress about ending the program. Popular support of lunar exploration hit a wall as the economic situation in America began to slide. Soring fuel costs and the making of a recession on the horizon made many Americans ask if Moonlab was worth the risk. Would it not be better to spend that money to improve lives on Earth?

When Buzz Aldrin was asked that question, he responded that if their ancestors had the same mind-set, then we would all still be in Europe. One of the more cynical members of the Science Corps, who chose to remain anonymous, posted a retort to Aldrin’s statement, saying that if their ancestors had that mind-set, they would all still be in trees. It was announced before Moonlab X returned home that Moonlab XII would be the final flight. Moonlab XI would effectively be the last mission devoted solely to exploration. While the next crew would continue, and wrap up experiments, a great deal of their time would be spent decommissioning Moonlab.

Command of Moonlab XI was given to Charles Conrad, known as Pete by just about everybody and former commander of Apollo XII, the mission that brought germs back from the moon. Conrad was also one of the Gemini Nine, serving on Gemini V and Gemini XI, as well as a naval aviator who just missed action in the Korean War. The mission’s pilot was another of the second group of astronauts. Air Force pilot James McDivitt started out as a mission commander on Gemini IV, where his pilot, Ed White, made the first EVA. He acted as commander again of Apollo IX, testing the LM in Earth orbit. Following his Apollo flight, McDivitt acted as Apollo Spacecraft Program Manager. He was not an astronaut used to playing second fiddle, but when offered the slot on Moonlab XI, he said that he could endure the indignity for a chance to work on the moon.

The mission specialists, George Patterson earned his degree while serving in the Arizona National Guard. The war in Korea interrupted his studies as he, and over a hundred thousand other militiamen were called up for duty. After serving his tour in Korea, he returned home and finished his degree at the University of Arizona. Fellow astronauts often gave Patterson a hard time for being an enlisted man, as well as a ground pounder. Patterson gave as good as he got, and whenever McDivitt or Conrad complained about walking through the Southwest’s deserts during geology training he would mention how consistent soft beds and warm meals made pilots such wimps, and if they thought this was bad, they should have tried a winter on the front line in Korea.

Moonlab XI left Earth on April 29, 1978, to one of the smallest crowd of spectators to date. Over the years, people far and wide travelled to the Cape to witness the launch of a moon rocket. Apollo XI still held the record for largest crowd. When Moonlab XI launched, the crowd was so small that traffic jams were nonexistent. For the American public, going to the moon was becoming routine. There were mishaps and unforeseen scenarios, but no matter the disaster, the astronauts flew to the moon, did their work and returned home. Nobody expected this mission to be any different. At first, it was not.

Mold was still a problem in the HM, though not as severe as with the pervious mission. As with previous mission, astronauts inspected the HM and IHM before moving in. The HM showed slight pitting on its side where high-speed dust slammed into it. A small crater was discovered in one of the HM’s legs, caused by a meteor less than a millimeter across. Had it been much larger, it would have smashed through the leg, toppling the HM. Patterson discovered a new fist-sized crater fifty meters from the IHM.

It was one of the advantageous of studying the moon from a fixed location. While Apollo had the advantage of taking samples from across the face of the moon, Moonlab was able to track to development of the landscape of a given area. A handful of craters were discovered in the vicinity, far less than some astronomers predicted. Before man set foot on the moon, the frequency of impacts was unknown. Did meteors hit once in a great while, or was there a constant peppering of the moon.

Both answers were correct. Large impacts were rare, but dust constantly rained down on the moon, as it did on Earth. When they hit Earth’s atmosphere they were seen as shooting stars in the night sky. On the moon, they simply came to an abrupt stop on the surface. While not conclusive of the whole moon, especially the Far Side, the area around Moonlab showed minimal impact frequency. Meteors, along with radiation, were two worries at the top of NASA’s risk. Today, solar forecasting and modeling can give warning to possible solar flares, and thus far NASA was lucky. Cosmic rays, atomic and subatomic particles traveling at relativistic speeds did not need forecasting for it was a constant bombardment of particles. Eventually four of the Moonlab astronauts would die of cancer, but whether or not that was caused directly by cosmic rays.

The moon was a deadly environment, and a fatality was bound to happen. At 1107, on June 3, 1978, Patterson and Conrad made their routine rounds in inspecting equipment and experiments when the inevitable happened. Patterson was reporting back to Houston on the state of the moon buggy when he was cut-off midsentence. At first, NASA dismissed it as a communication glitch; they certainly racked up an impressive score of those over the years. When Conrad continuing to communicate, management began to worry. The first alarm came when the mission doctor keeping tabs on life signs saw that Patterson’s fluctuated and ceased.

If his suit had a faulty transmitter, that would explain the lack of communication and lifesigns. Capcom relayed a request for a visual inspection on Patterson to Conrad, who reported back that he was nowhere in sight. As he was just checking the ‘buggy, Conrad walked over to find his comrade lying face down in the regolith, his suit deflated. Conrad called back to Earth, “Houston, we have an emergency here,” as he drug Patterson back to the closest of the habs, the IHM. Conrad tried in vain to resuscitate Patterson, and mission control was brought to a standstill by the message “He’s dead Houston.”

What killed Patterson was rather clear upon inspection. His shoulder sported a brutal wound where a micrometeor punctured his suit. Where a routine launch spurred little interest, the media ate up news on the death of an astronaut. Patterson was not the first astronaut to die. Apollo I claimed the lives of three astronauts on the ground, and a routine flight in a T-38 claimed the lives of Bassett and See, and Soyuz I claimed its pilot upon crashing into the ground. Patterson earned the distinction of being the first astronaut killed off Earth. His death set off an immediate abort to Moonlab XI and to bring Patterson home.

It sounded like a simple enough order, however, Patterson left a will behind in the event of his own death, and in it, he requested that should he die on the moon, he wanted to be buried there. Conrad and McDivitt were conflicted; they wanted to bring him home, but did not relish riding back to earth with a corpse. His own family was divided on the issue, but NASA’s management was not. There was no way they were going to leave an astronaut behind. To bury anyone on the moon would forever change how people viewed the moon, at least which was how NASA saw it. Patterson’s children lobbied NASA to honor their father’s wish.

Attempts by PR to keep a cork in the will issue failed, and the evening news picked up on Patterson’s ‘dying wish’. It also brought the same question back to the forefront; is exploring space worth the danger? Every astronaut would answer that it absolutely was worth it. Patterson’s death was also brought before a Congressional committee. Many members of Congress used this death to score points for their own programs, which needed funding badly. They said that not only was the moon a waste of money, but it was dangerous too. Clearly these politicians lacked the pioneering spirit that historically reigned over the United States.

Even before the accident, engineers working with NASA poured their effort into developing a hard-shell suit. The main reason had to do with pressure differences, and attempts to remove the need for pre-breathing before an EVA. Their projects were not widely known. A reporter from the New York Times asked about the suits during one of NASA’s many press conferences, and wanted to know why the suits were not deployed on the moon. PR gave the usually long-winded response, but to the engineers, the question of protection against micrometeors was laughable; you simply could not stop a pellet travelling twenty-five thousand miles an hour.

A declining economy added another nail to the Moonlab Project’s coffin. The public was not pleased by the cost of each mission, and where that money could have been spent to begin with. The Air Force stepped up its lobbying for a shuttle, and many politicians jumped on board the ban wagon. Contracts and subcontracts would be parceled out to companies in several States, and Congressmen can return to their constituents proudly proclaiming they created new jobs.

While popular history views the death of an astronaut as the end of lunar exploration during the 20th Century, it really came down to economic times on Earth. Moonlab employed tens of thousands of people directly and as support, but the Space Shuttle promised to create five times as many. If the shuttle succeeded, then a new chapter would open in the aerospace industry as hypersonic transports replaced the subsonic jumbo jets. More than three decades after the end of Project Moonlab and the public still awaits the arrival of superfast air transports.

After three decades of cost overruns and limited return on investment, NASA sought out a replacement for its aging shuttle fleet. Currently there is debate in the halls of Houston as whether or not NASA should develop a new spacecraft or contract out to the private sector. The Dragon and Silver Dart spacecraft are promising candidates, though they are from small, startup companies. Giants like Boeing are developing their own spacecraft and lobbying for NASA contracts.

NASA has yet to return to the moon following the last Moonlab mission, but in 2011, venture capitalist Robert Bigalow had the first of his inflatable hotel modules lofted into orbit. Lessons learned from Moonlab’s own IHM lead to an improved design now orbiting Earth. Bigalow entered negotiations with NASA over the status of the abandoned Moonlab modules, wanting to use the sight as part of his grown space tourism empire, with plans for constructing a hotel on the moon made from inflatable modules. Moonlab itself would be little more than a tourist destination, not unlike ghost towns in the western States.


 
Talk about a downer way to end things :(

You don't think we might have returned to the moon again sooner? Especially given the number of Presidents we had that wanted to return to the moon in OTL, but didn't, yet given the small lunar base ITTL, there might be the case to go again and build new and better ones?
 
Talk about a downer way to end things :(

You don't think we might have returned to the moon again sooner? Especially given the number of Presidents we had that wanted to return to the moon in OTL, but didn't, yet given the small lunar base ITTL, there might be the case to go again and build new and better ones?

Presidents like to make lofty goals that wouldn't come to (theoretical) fruit until long after they are out of office, but I think Kennedy was the only true space cadet. Our universe and this timeline have the same problem in returning to the moon. We all know it's not an engineering problem, but a political/economical one.
 
Presidents like to make lofty goals that wouldn't come to (theoretical) fruit until long after they are out of office, but I think Kennedy was the only true space cadet. Our universe and this timeline have the same problem in returning to the moon. We all know it's not an engineering problem, but a political/economical one.

Except that it was LBJ and Nixon who saw it through. JFK's death simply aided in making going to the Moon an Inviolable Goal.

Still though, what a downer way to end Moonlab. Though if they ever go back, they would make a few changes at the very least: like going in pairs at the absolute minimum, to make sure one guy can plug a puncture like that and give the unfortunate one a fighting chance; while redesigned suits with isolation capability would help; add in making the base dug in deeper and they might feel that they've reasonably tackled all the potential fatality scenarios for when on Luna Firma.
 
Presidents like to make lofty goals that wouldn't come to (theoretical) fruit until long after they are out of office, but I think Kennedy was the only true space cadet. Our universe and this timeline have the same problem in returning to the moon. We all know it's not an engineering problem, but a political/economical one.

I think George HW Bush or Reagan were also good candidates for space cadets, especially HW Bush. I could see a revival of Moonlab in the 1990s under HW Bush and Clinton, and as the techboom begins, it could well lead to greater expansion/development of the moon during the era.
 
Shevek23 said:
Personally, I just plain like spaceplanes
Count me a member of that club, too.;)

On the launch vehicle, I wonder why not use a B-52 or something, instead. (I know, very X-15ish.:rolleyes:) That way, you don't spend fuel getting to altitude. Maybe also you can use strap-on JATO bottles?

(Clearly, this isn't my area of expertise.:eek:)
 

Archibald

Banned
Is it physically possible for a spaceplane to reach orbit if it takes off like a normal plane, even if it might take a few midair refuelings?

If that can be worked out I think that'd be where the advantage is. No need for launch pads, any airport runway long enough will do.

Check your in-box ;)
 

Flubber

Banned
Just like our own Space Age, this alternate version ends with a whimper too.

Superb job, Kiat. I'm very sure it will sell well.

Thank you for giving us a sneak peek.
 
Count me a member of that club, too.;)

On the launch vehicle, I wonder why not use a B-52 or something, instead. (I know, very X-15ish.:rolleyes:) That way, you don't spend fuel getting to altitude. Maybe also you can use strap-on JATO bottles?

(Clearly, this isn't my area of expertise.:eek:)
Getting to altitude is one of the least parts of getting to orbit. Hitting a 185 km orbit takes about 9600 m/s delta-v. Starting at a B-52's altitude of 15 km would save about 500 m/s. That's not really big, considering you'd be limited to just 31,000 kg gross weight for the LV--about 10% that of Falcon 9. The rockets can't be significantly smaller, nor will the payload be very large.
 
I've said before and will probably say again--air launch interests me, but only at supersonic speeds. The Mach 3 speeds we know pretty large planes can reach are just starting to make a significant dent in the delta-V. I'm generally unimpressed by the argument that merely saving a bit of it because rockets are more efficient in near-vacuum than in the thick soup of the lower atmosphere makes a worthwhile difference. You have to compare the cost of making a really really gigantic airplane that can lift a rocket weighing all-up something like 500 tonnes to that altitude against the cost of simply making that rocket a bit bigger and then launching it from the ground, choked nozzles and all.

Now if your really really big plane can also go really really fast, we can talk about serious reductions of the rocket lower stage to offset that gigantic and hugely challenging and expensive airplane. I'm a sucker for grandiose aircraft, I'll admit! Any excuse to make a thousand tonne airplane to rival the speed of an SR-71, and you've got my attention!:p:eek:

Even so, whenever I've set about to do the math, it comes out pretty marginal at best. Your great big supersonic plane is best viewed as a fly-back reusable first stage, but the sorts of speeds proven engines can reach--about Mach 3, 1000 meters/sec if we push it, only half-matches the job a typical first stage booster can do; you still need quite a lot of delta-V to fill the gap for typical second stage separation speeds.

It's why I'm a sucker for Skylon, which proposes to integrate the whole thing into an SSTO and reuse all of it, and proposes to use engines that are as yet unproven in actual flight to do so. I'm sold on the theory; can anyone bring it into practice, and if they do will it quite match the ambitious performance targets they count on?

Skylon proposes to reach Mach 5 and beyond in airbreathing mode, using a strategy of using the heat-sink properties of hydrogen quite prodigally--hydrogen is light stuff so from a mass point of view they can be generous with it, but it is bulky--the craft they propose looks pretty big for the light mass they think they can make it. Sort of like a hypersonic Zeppelin!:D So I'm a sucker for it.

But I have thought about the wisdom of using a version of the SABRE engines that is purely airbreathing--that would be what Reaction Engines is calling a SCIMATAR--and launching the actual rocket as a separate stage. It goes against REI's philosophy of saving costs by keeping the vehicle integrated, and their hope that integrating rocket engine mode in the SABRE is easy compared to the airbreathing part, and they can get plenty of thrust from the same engines they used to get to 1600 m/sec in atmosphere. Also I believe REI is counting on significant aerodynamic lift during the early rocket boost phase, before the speeds become so great the thermal challenge is too much--by which time they will have ascended on earlier excess lift and momentum, modestly sustained by a portion of the rocket thrust. Thus in rocket mode only a small fraction of the thrust goes to fighting gravity which helps with the economy of reaction mass to reach orbit. We'd throw that away by separating the plane from the rocket. And that separation has proven problematic in tests; I gather it would be pretty important to drop the rocket from the plane rather than try to launch it from the top of it, and even then the aerodynamic forces would be rather wicked and treacherous--a problem Skylon's integrated structure sidesteps completely.

Skylon may be pie in the sky, but if so probably all serious air launch is.

Of course in addition to the quite marginal advantage of launching in thinner air that subsonic air launch offers, there is the apparent operational advantage of being able to simply take off from any major runway in the world.

That's apparent. It works great for little rockets, launching miniature satellites or even more miniscule payloads to GEO. Such payloads are the bread and butter of what commercial space business we have, which boils down pretty much to comsats and related tech like GPS constellations.

To launch something serious, like a manned spacecraft in the 10 tonne range or a big satellite or a space probe into deep space, you would need bigger airplanes than are currently built. For something like Apollo, or even a Soyuz, you'd need something a lot bigger. Such a big airplane would not be the sort of thing any run of the mill airport could handle; pretty soon we're in the ballpark of needing to build a very special runway indeed, very very long, reinforced like no one's business to handle the massive footprint.

Even Skylon, it turns out, would need a specially reinforced runway to take off of, though they plan to be able to land anywhere. (To what purpose they'd land at a field they can't take off from I don't know--maybe to be lightly filled with hydrogen fuel only for ferrying itself to a proper base?) To exceed Skylon's rather paltry 15 tonne payload to orbit (optimally; from a high latitude base to a tough orbit it can rapidly fall below 10 tonnes) we'd need some Gargantuan airplanes indeed and would probably have to design them to operate off of water.

If we can't have Skylon operational as advertised, and we can't have more exotic mass transportation into orbit via launch loops or orbital rings or the like, I fear we're pretty much stuck with launching rockets from the ground. And the extra rocket to punch up to the flight regimes the airplanes might reach is not that hard to do--it tends to be massive and fuel-guzzling as all hell, but apparently the fuel and mass is not the big cost item. Specialized white elephant hardware like a 2000 tonne airplane is probably going to cost far more than a launch pad and a succession of multihundred, even thousand, tonne booster stages--unless the frequency of launch turns out to be orders of magnitude more. If we wanted dozens of missions to the Moon every year, something like airlaunch on a mega-scale might pay off, if we could lick the problems--but then, systems like a Lofstrom Loop might get a hearing too, if we were that obsessed with getting lots of mass into space.

And in some ASB scenario (which I tend to follow avidly!) where all of a sudden alien derelict starships turn up in orbit around Venus or some such and there's a space race between superpowers to get an investigating team there first--in their haste, they won't take time to develop such elaborate infrastructure, no matter how massive the savings--they'll go with the first damn thing they can lash together to get the necessary mass up into orbit. That is, rockets, lots of them. They'll build dozens of new launch pads, on the old model, rather than sit back and wait for the Godot of a giant supersonic booster airplane, or build launch loops, or any such.

Then if the damn alien artifact turns out to be comprehensible and useful, like as not we'll have gravity drives and warp drive before you know it:rolleyes:

It would be nice to have a non-ASB motive to persuade governments and big corporations to spend a really significant amount of resources consistently for serious space operations; I'm afraid I come up empty, I just want space travel to be happening because it's what I think human beings ought to be doing with our capabilities. That persuades no budget committees.:( The closest I can come to it is admittedly ASB scenarios where there is a habitable second planet in the solar system and thus the goal is big and attractive and exciting to a broader public; also the fear that a rival superpower will get there and claim all the real estate is operational too. There are those who think that same motive ought to count for the Moon and Mars we have, but if we could have explorers landing there who can live off the land indefinitely, not in airtight little modules and spacesuits but breathing the open air, I'd think it would have more traction--as would the more noble motives too.

But even then--if a habitable Mars or near-Earth world in some kind of close resonance orbit existed, it would be easy for politicians to kick the can of getting there down another decade or generation or three...:(

Unless the Other Guys looked to be doing it no matter what; then it would be necessary to keep pace with Them to keep an eye on 'em. But that "problem" might be resolved by a summit meeting in which both parties agree neither will go. :mad:
 
Just like our own Space Age, this alternate version ends with a whimper too.

Superb job, Kiat. I'm very sure it will sell well.

Thank you for giving us a sneak peek.

Thanks. I'll have to do some serious work on it to make it publish-worthy.
 
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