Mongols reach Australia?

From Wikipedia:

"In 1293, Kublai Khan, the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire and the founder of the Yuan dynasty, sent a large invasion fleet to Java with 20,000 to 30,000 soldiers. This was a punitive expedition against King Kertanegara of Singhasari, who had refused to pay tribute to the Yuan and maimed one of its ministers."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java

So let's just say the Mongols succeeded in invading and occupying Java, Indonesia. From there, would the Mongols find the northern coast of Australia eventually? And would they have the capability of an invasion into Australia?

I find this very interesting. I would love to hear your thoughts!!! :)
 
Or, better yet, it becomes similar to The Horse And Jaguar TL with more resources and men, while being in Australia.
This could be goood.
 
From there, would the Mongols find the northern coast of Australia eventually?
Possibly
And would they have the capability of an invasion into Australia?
They probably could have, but that is not the question you should ask. The question is: Why would they? There is nothing for the Mongols to gain in Australia. It is basicly one big desert. If the Mongols find Australia they will do what the Europeans did: nothing.
 

GdwnsnHo

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Possibly

They probably could have, but that is not the question you should ask. The question is: Why would they? There is nothing for the Mongols to gain in Australia. It is basicly one big desert. If the Mongols find Australia they will do what the Europeans did: nothing.

There are 23.13 million examples of something being done by Immigrants. (yes, I am being flippant)

In all honesty, Australia would make just as a good a place for the Mongols to send dissidents as anywhere else. Keep the good locations for Mongols and desert soldiers, and release dissidents in the outback.

Oddly, it could really help with suppressing the Chinese, it would be the only prison big enough for Chinese rebels.
 
I side with pompejus here. Australia had nothing to offer to the Mongols.
It wasn`t as if the Mongols had lots of people they wanted to get rid off, and no space for them. Quite the opposite: they ruled half the world, and had way too little people for that job. They went to where they could extract something valuable and where they could base their power on halfway functioning existing structures. Australia, on the other hand, was - forgive my lack of exact knowledge - either completely hunter-gatherers, or at least mostly so. They already had such a sort of territory under their control, and more than they could want (and did not make much of it): the vast woodlands and tundras of Northern Asia. Their control over all sorts of indigenous Paleo-Siberian groups was rather loose. And they were comparatively "close to home" for the Mongols, in contrast to Australia.
 
There are 23.13 million examples of something being done by Immigrants.

Wrong. Australia was discovered in the 17th century by the Dutch and probably even earlier by the Portuguese and Chinese. For 150 years noone cared about Australia. It was only the loss of the American colonies and the rise of the prestige you got from having colonies and the fact that they were running out of other places to conquer that the British got interested in Australia. None of that applies to the Mongols who would be more intered in the wealth they could get basicly everywhere besides Australia. I would say that subsaharan Africa would be a better oppertunity for the Mongols than Australia.

Remember, just the fact "because it exists" is not a good reason for people to try to conquer it.
 

GdwnsnHo

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Wrong. Australia was discovered in the 17th century by the Dutch and probably even earlier by the Portuguese and Chinese. For 150 years noone cared about Australia. It was only the loss of the American colonies and the rise of the prestige you got from having colonies and the fact that they were running out of other places to conquer that the British got interested in Australia. None of that applies to the Mongols who would be more intered in the wealth they could get basicly everywhere besides Australia. I would say that subsaharan Africa would be a better oppertunity for the Mongols than Australia.

Remember, just the fact "because it exists" is not a good reason for people to try to conquer it.

Ok, humorous subtext wasn't blatant enough I guess.

(Also, prestige I got? Last time I checked I am not a monarch or Emperor)

I honestly don't know what would happen if the Mongols had the opportunity in Sub-Saharan Africa, I think it is doubtful they'd stay due to the disease issues - but the Mongols were pushed back in the Middle East.

Also, the British colonised Australia because it was a useful base of operations to help support their Empire near the Indian Subcontinent. Having naval bases there allows them to harass their enemies even if they manage to obstruct/blockade Indian shipping.
 
From Wikipedia:

"In 1293, Kublai Khan, the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire and the founder of the Yuan dynasty, sent a large invasion fleet to Java with 20,000 to 30,000 soldiers. This was a punitive expedition against King Kertanegara of Singhasari, who had refused to pay tribute to the Yuan and maimed one of its ministers."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java

So let's just say the Mongols succeeded in invading and occupying Java, Indonesia. From there, would the Mongols find the northern coast of Australia eventually? And would they have the capability of an invasion into Australia?

I find this very interesting. I would love to hear your thoughts!!! :)

Well, 'occupying' Java and Indonesia is out of the question.

But here goes a scenario:
Kublai Khan got a few strongholds/ports in Java and Indonesia; and Yuan became a seafaring empire.
And they so found Australia and even sailed around it.

That may sound absurd but Mongolia proper in Yuan in OTL was not a prosperous region. There were always droughts and famines there. The ethnic Mongols selling their children into slavery to the Chinese traders was a constant source of embarrassment for the Yuan dynasty.

So in ATL the Great Yuan Khan is having a conversation with a Mongol admiral who came back from Australia. The Khan is drinking wine with a fresh Indian hashish/opium* which the admiral delivered as well.
* Khan smoking hashish/opium is crucially important for this ATL :D
And the admiral says that in the South-East Australia he saw excellent lands with beautiful pastures, he even stayed there some time, rode there on a horse hunting, saw a few steppes, deserts/semi deserts and he felt like home in Mongolia proper.

"Feels like home? Like in Mongolia? Hm..." - the heavily intoxicated Khan says. And the bright idea appeared which materialized into an imperial edict:
- "Send 5000 Mongol households into Australia by ship. The imperial treasury pays all the costs of transportation and even gives every household 10 Mongolian ponies and four Mongolian camels."

So, that's how the tradition started - every time when famine strikes Mongolia proper the Yuan emperor sends a few thousands Mongol households into Australia. Instead of feeding the Mongols suffering from famine they send them to Australia.

In a few centuries or so the Mongols, their ponies and camels reproduced themselves in Australia, they multiplied and multiplied in the perfect conditions like rabbits. And occupied almost all of Australia with the exception of the tropical and subtropical regions maybe...

When the Yuan dynasty got kicked out of China by the Chinese one of the Yuan princes fled to Australia and found an independent Australian Khaganate there.
 
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There are 23.13 million examples of something being done by Immigrants. (yes, I am being flippant)

In all honesty, Australia would make just as a good a place for the Mongols to send dissidents as anywhere else. Keep the good locations for Mongols and desert soldiers, and release dissidents in the outback.

The Mongols didn't imprison dissidents. They executed them as examples to others.
 
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