Mongol Invasion of Japan suceeds

How would the world be different, or history would diverge, if
The Mongolian invasion of Japan was successful, with no typhoons ruining any of the Mongol ships, and Mongol overtaking the island.

Seems pretty possible, as the Japanese at the time did not know to handle against a large scale army. They did have a lot of skill in personal combat, but it would not be enough of a factor. The Mongol invasion would have most likely succeeded if the typhoons did not ruin much of their fleet.
The mongols+chinese had 140,000 troops, the Japanese had 40,000. 130,000 drowned or died before landing, drastically changing the war.
But what if the typhoons never occurred, and the Mongols still had their army of 140,000?

Would Japan eventually gain independence? Or Would Japan become part of Mongolia? How would world history play out differently, Sengoku Jidai, WW2, etc?
 
How would not having all those soldiers drown play out with the rest of the world? I don't think Japan would have been as easily controlled or conquered by the Mongols as one might think, not with its geography.
 
Japan wouldn't stand a chance. A very weak Japan may become independent, but it wouldn't be strong enough to resist European colonization in the 19th century.
 
Gotta say, very interesting idea. Maybe the mongols would have focused more on Asia perhaps? A Mongolian Khanate that encompasses maybe the Northern half of China, and Japan. A more navally focused Mongolian horde? North America next?

I dunno seriously though will have to think on this...
 

Sumeragi

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As I said before on threads with this topic, the Mongol-Goryeo forces were pretty close to taking all of Kyushu in the first invasion, but it failed when the Mongol commanders chickened out and ordered the retreat to the boats, eventually being sunk. The second invasion, on the other hand, had almost no chance of succeeding, with the Japanese being ready.

Here are two posts which talk a bit about the issues.
 
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