Monarchical Mexico

Nope, they are liberals but not republican. As bad as the king was, they only aspired to "open his eyes" and convince how wrong he was and how well would be the country if he listened to them... And the fact of having a king or queen behind them gives them some legitimacy and possibly gets away a foreign intervention to destroy them (something that happened anyway in '23, though).

Alright I agree with what your saying. If Carlos were to wage a much more successful campaign for the throne though, could we see the liberal opposition morph into more radical republicans, either as the moderate liberal elements accept Carlist rule, or the brutality with which Carlos rules drives the liberal to violent opposition?

Spain is the homeland. Even as rich as the colonies are, ruling them while the homeland is "in peril" is pointless in the mind of a monarch of the time. That's why Carlos is not going to leave Spain without trying to place it back in the fold.

Isabel could end in exile, or in any retirement house in the country, or even married to one of Carlos' sons (he planned this at the end of the First Carlist War, when it was evident that he could not achieve victory on his own). Her supporters could be victorius as IOTL too, though. But in any case it is sure that Carlos is not going to leave the issue without trying something.

With Carlos ensconced in Mexico with his native conservative supporters, I think that a marriage may make much more sense. Carlos could continue to rule in Mexico, one of his sons (I would say his older one) could go to Spain, and the Spanish Empire (at least the Spanish and Mexican parts) could stay de facto united. Carlos could designate his eldest son (the King of Spain) as his heir.

[/quote]The Southern Cone is probably gone at this time, though. But New Granada could have been subdued again. It all depends of how many cooperation between the Mexican and Peruvian monarchists is there and how successful they are in cooperating to suppress the rebellion there. Plus, the fact they are with their hands full trying to defeat Bolívar and their own revolutionaries would explain perfectly why Carlos&Francisco don't really intervene in Spain in 1823.[/quote]

If you have this happen, then the Royalists in Latin America basically now look to Mexico City and Carlos for leadership, while Spain could continue to supply troops. I think that the Wars of Independence were close enough run things that with Carlos in Mexico City New Granada, Peru and Mexico could be held. Rio de la Plata might be beyond the effective control of Mexico City or Madrid, but I think that fraternal bonds could mean that Argentina would be happy with a Carlist prince (I believe OTL Argentina was also in the market for a monarch).

If you have Carlos and co. in Latin America with the Wars of Independence ongoing, I think that there is a very good chance that there would be an American intervention. The Americans do not want the Spanish to continue to hold most of Latin America, and would feel ideologically allied to pro-independence republicans like Bolivar. The British were quite supportive of the Latin American juntas and supported independence movements, and were also concerned about continued Spanish rule in the Americas.

Could we see a joint Anglo-American intervention in the Wars of Independence? I'm thinking the British basically blockade the Americas, preventing further support from Europe, while the Americans directly intervene in the Wars of Independence. American troops land in Cuba, and American "volunteers" go to support Bolivar in New Granada. Carlos would be able to maintain control in Mexico, but in New Granada, Peru, and Argentina the pro-independence movements prevail.
 
If you have this happen, then the Royalists in Latin America basically now look to Mexico City and Carlos for leadership, while Spain could continue to supply troops. I think that the Wars of Independence were close enough run things that with Carlos in Mexico City New Granada, Peru and Mexico could be held. Rio de la Plata might be beyond the effective control of Mexico City or Madrid, but I think that fraternal bonds could mean that Argentina would be happy with a Carlist prince (I believe OTL Argentina was also in the market for a monarch.)

No, they were not. Thanks to the British, Argentina wanted out - no ifs, ands, or buts. No fraternal bonds will tie the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata to the rest of the Spanish Empire. Does not matter if the monarch is Hapsburg, Bourbon, Carlist, or whatever - Carlos arriving to the Americas will only make the Río de la Plata want to leave even more.
 
Here is the flag of the Empire of the Two Spains. Mexico is considered to be a confederated kingdom to Spain with its own Cortes.

About the colours of the flag: the green represents the independence of the kingdom of México, the white the catholic faith and the background red, the only colour which both kingdoms share, is the union between "the Spaniards of all continents" (Cubans, Filipinos, Mexicans and Peninsulares).

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What about an Hispanic American Confederacy, brought up by His Royal Highness King Juan Carlos I, after the Spanish Transition, that reunited the ex-dual monarchy of two Spains, under the agreement that all constituent parts would have equal rights. That mean that the Philippines would also play an important role in such confederacy.

Note 1: Would Cuba be fully integrated as one Autonomus Community in Spain or a Region in Mexico? I do not consider she has the qualities to be a kingdom (she needs more population), but what do you think?

REINO DE ESPAÑA
Presidente del gobierno: José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero (PSOE)
Population: 40 million people
Currency: Euro

Note 2: Could it be posible to have a common currency for all, equivalent to the Euro in the non European regions (e.g. an American peso, perhaps?) Or maybe to adopt Euro in those countries?

REINO DE MÉXICO
Presidente del gobierno: Amalia García Medina (PSOM)
Population: 100 million people
Currency: American peso

REINO DE FILIPINAS
Presidente del gobierno: Gloria Macapagal Macareg (CD)
Population: 60 million people
Currency: American peso
 
What about an Hispanic American Confederacy, brought up by His Royal Highness King Juan Carlos I, after the Spanish Transition, that reunited the ex-dual monarchy of two Spains, under the agreement that all constituent parts would have equal rights. That mean that the Philippines would also play an important role in such confederacy.

I, for one, doubt that such a thing would happen.
 
I, for one, doubt that such a thing would happen.

I think that you would have a tough time keeping Spain in possession of a country and well populated as Mexico. Spain was very politically unstable, enduring a couple major bouts of pretty serious social instability, descending into civil wars at times (the victory of liberals during won of these bouts of social instability brought about the Mexican Conservatives decision to seek independence).

I could see a situation where you could get Carlos on the Mexican throne, and perhaps another Spanish Bourbon ruling a Peruvian-Gran Columbia Kingdom. These monarchs would be inter-related, and if they kept on OTL patterns they would marry into each other families quite a bit. Thus you could have an amicible break-up, with royal ties remaining, but I don't think that you can achieve long-term Spanish-Mexican unity.

I think that if you end up with say Carlos on the Mexican throne and his younger brother on the Peruvian-Gran Columbian throne (I realize it won't be called this) then you will have a much more stable Latin American political system. The pro-independence leaders will have been defeated at least and killed or driven into exile (probably in the UK, USA, or France) since they were as a group mostly devoted to republicanism along with independence. The social elite, backed up with the legitimacy of a real live European monarch, and supported by a victorious military, will probably be able to create relatively successful centralized export-centered kingdoms with good relations with the UK and Spain.
 
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