Moiciba Guazabara

Awesome, and your input as the TL advances will be greatly appreciated.:D

TBH, while I understand it may not be your main focus, I am very interested in the Tudor exploration of India. The English at the time did not have the naval capabilities of the Iberian nations, but damn if that doesn't create some very interesting butterflies...
 
TBH, while I understand it may not be your main focus, I am very interested in the Tudor exploration of India. The English at the time did not have the naval capabilities of the Iberian nations, but damn if that doesn't create some very interesting butterflies...

Yep. Don't expect the trade monopoly Portugal enjoyed for a period.;)

I'll be getting to those developments later on though, once the situation in the Caribbean is settled.
 
How long until the new knowledge spreads to Mexico and Peru?

While the Taino and other caribbean islands can act as a shield against limited Spanish incursions for a time, the only way for the natives to resist in the long term is to have the twin imperial civilizations of the Aztec and Inca to upgrade themselves as soon as possible!!
 
How long until the new knowledge spreads to Mexico and Peru?

While the Taino and other caribbean islands can act as a shield against limited Spanish incursions for a time, the only way for the natives to resist in the long term is to have the twin imperial civilizations of the Aztec and Inca to upgrade themselves as soon as possible!!

Oh don't worry, it will spread. The course of how it does is planned out, and the repercussions too. This will be one of the primary focuses of the TL for now, exploring this in relative detail over the next few decades.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is the retention of black powder. I'm not sure if the Spanish, on this particular voyage, sent over someone who knew how to make it; and if they did and it's only one person, it's rather unlikely he'd of been on the ship that survived. So far, my research of this period shows the substance's manufacturing was a closely guarded guild secret, which could very well leave the supplies that were salvaged from the wreck it.

Even so, the advance in metallurgy and domesticated animals, and shipping technology is certainly a HUGE boost.
 
One thing I'm trying to figure out is the retention of black powder. I'm not sure if the Spanish, on this particular voyage, sent over someone who knew how to make it; and if they did and it's only one person, it's rather unlikely he'd of been on the ship that survived. So far, my research of this period shows the substance's manufacturing was a closely guarded guild secret, which could very well leave the supplies that were salvaged from the wreck it.

Even so, the advance in metallurgy and domesticated animals, and shipping technology is certainly a HUGE boost.

Gunpowder recipes were published in various books back to ~1300. I wouldnt be at all surprised if the basic ingredients were well known, even if the details of eg corning were specialized knowledge.
 
Gunpowder recipes were published in various books back to ~1300. I wouldnt be at all surprised if the basic ingredients were well known, even if the details of eg corning were specialized knowledge.

That's good news for the Natives.:cool: Someone can eventually figure out the right recipes.
 
This is probably what an Aon looked like, and about the size too. Similar to a Mexican Hairless Dog, or a Xoloitzcuintle.

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Great update!:D

I'm curious, when will we see the Aztecs?
 
[10] Yes, this is Juan Ponce de Leon. A young veteran of the Reconquista, he was one of 200 volunteer nobles to accompany Columbus’s second voyage; and in OTL he would lead the Spanish expedition that would massacre the Higuey Cacicazgo, become the future governor of Boriken/Puerto Rico (where he would repeat what he did in Higuey), and seek out the fountain of youth in Florida (which he named).

So has the first expedition been to the Caribbean and returned in TTL, or was Ponce de Leon a volunteer on that expedition instead of the second? I've assumed until now that the first expedition failed and that its wreckage was what the Taino were seeing.

Great update as always - I'd like to see more of the Caribbean peoples. Will there be a Carib perspective at some point, or a Taino account of interaction/battle with them? I assume the Taino will use their new knowledge to defend against the Caribs first.
 
Great update!:D

I'm curious, when will we see the Aztecs?

Gracias! And soon. I plan on having a more scholarly update soon that looks back on this period and foreshadow some stuff. Cuauthemoc gave me some great ideas for there.

So has the first expedition been to the Caribbean and returned in TTL, or was Ponce de Leon a volunteer on that expedition instead of the second? I've assumed until now that the first expedition failed and that its wreckage was what the Taino were seeing.

Great update as always - I'd like to see more of the Caribbean peoples. Will there be a Carib perspective at some point, or a Taino account of interaction/battle with them? I assume the Taino will use their new knowledge to defend against the Caribs first.

Yes, this would be the second expedition of Columbus that ended in an utter disaster. The original plan was the first, but it wasn't until his 2nd voyage that a lot of the animals and other supplies and additional craftsman (like recruiting a black smith such as Dafra) would be brought along.

It does narrow the window considerably for the Natives. Though considering that Spain was pretty cash strapped from the Reconquista still, and Portugal has to not only defend its homeland, but their shaky colonial foundation overseas, both the Iberian powers won't have the time or resources to cross the Atlantic for the time being. These factors, plus England finding a guaranteed source to India, which is going to pay off quicker, plus not having the firm power Portugal would have to keep their trade monopoly in this period, will have the other Europeans flooding the Indian Sea and scrambling over the African coast to secure bases to launch their voyages from.

As for the Caribs, yes they'll be getting plenty of stage time after the next few updates, and quickly discover the Tainos aren't as easy to raid anymore.
 
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Two questions:

1. Will this be in the format of Male Rising (a narrative update, and then a "book" update) or in a different format?

2. How far are you planning on taking this?

Good start.
 
Two questions:

1. Will this be in the format of Male Rising (a narrative update, and then a "book" update) or in a different format?

2. How far are you planning on taking this?

Good start.

1. It will be a mix of narrative, text book, journal, and so forth - similar to Male Rising (which is a major inspiration for this TL) and a few other TLs on here. It won't necessarily follow a pattern of one after the other, but more what I feel helps convey that particular aspect of the story better.

2. Not really sure yet, I'm still planning a lot out and doing the research. To be realistic, I'm not sure if I'd take it all the way to the modern day since it would be over 500 years of AH, and the butterflies that have already been unleashed are massive ones. But we'll see how long my creativity and attention lasts for this project.

And thank you, glad you're enjoying it so far.:D
 
Fun fact: the Fountain of Youth thing was libel.

The sudden hunting for magical immortality water did seem kind of odd when I give it a second thought. That's funny. I'll have to make a note of that in the footnotes. Thanks for the correction.

Also, this is for all the readers. I'm going to be taking a few days off from AH.com to get something done for another member that should have been completed years ago. But please go ahead and post if you have any comments, concerns, or questions. I'll be back to check them Friday, and hopefully sometime next week I'll have the 5th update done. Again it's already planned out and just needs to be written up.:)
 
It does narrow the window considerably for the Natives. Though considering that Spain was pretty cash strapped from the Reconquista still, and Portugal has to not only defend its homeland, but their shaky colonial foundation overseas, both the Iberian powers won't have the time or resources to cross the Atlantic for the time being.

It might also deflect the first wave of European conquest/settlement to Brazil, which the Portuguese navigators will find by accident on their way to India. If South America becomes the focus of the early colonization efforts, then the Caribbean and Mesoamerican peoples might have more time to prepare and adapt.

Enjoy your vacation; I'll look forward to more when you come back.
 
It might also deflect the first wave of European conquest/settlement to Brazil, which the Portuguese navigators will find by accident on their way to India. If South America becomes the focus of the early colonization efforts, then the Caribbean and Mesoamerican peoples might have more time to prepare and adapt.

Enjoy your vacation; I'll look forward to more when you come back.

That's very true. I know it's very likely that someone is going to stumble across Brazil sooner or later in the coming years, but until I flesh out the butterflies on the other side of the globe more I'm not sure who or when exactly (still I'd put my money on the Portuguese for now, but them keeping it is up in the air IMO so far). With the focus on Africa, and not the massive draw of gold from looting the Aztecs and Inca it'll probably be slower, and as you said give Mesoamerica, the Incas, and the Caribbean more time to ease the tech gap.
 
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