Modern day ghettos in the United States

This is sort of a mix of Star Trek, future history and alternate history.

How could we make possible so that today there are ghettos controlled by the government, where people cannot leave until they find a job or a place to live. Example: The homeless all around the United States are rounded up and are put into huge ghettos in major American cities until they can find work. The government will try and help find jobs and places to live for them, but until then must live in blocked off parts of the city, governed by the local police. In these ghettos, people live in the abandon buildings, are given a place to sleep and are given ration cards for food and supplies. This is kind of like the Sanctuary District's in the Star Trek universe, which were located in the United States in the early 21st Century (2020s).


Some info: A Sanctuary District was a section of a city designated for the homeless and unemployed of the United States of America in the mid-21st century. (DS9: "Past Tense, Part I", "Past Tense, Part II")

By 2020, the American government, reacting to serious social and economic problems, had created a series of the districts within most cities where such people could be cared for. Unfortunately, while established with benevolent intent, the Sanctuary Districts quickly degenerated into inhumane internment camps where the unemployed, the mentally ill, and other outcasts are imprisoned. Unrest quickly spread across many of these districts.

On September 1, 2024, after weeks of unrest and violence, residents of Sanctuary District A in San Francisco took over an administrative processing centre, holding six employees hostage. The residents manage to gain access to Earth's planetary computer network, and many are able to tell their stories if imprisonment to the outside world. As a result, the public becomes aware of the great injustice that had been hidden from them.

The Bell Riots, as they were later named, after protest leader Gabriel Bell, ended when the governor of California ordered federal troops to retake the processing centre by force. Hundreds of sanctuary residents were killed, including Bell himself, although none of the hostages were harmed.

In the wake of the Bell Riots and the senseless death of so many people, American public opinion turned against the Sanctuary policy, and the districts were abolished.

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http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/DS9/episode/68196.html
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Maybe a bunch of *insert minority name here* rise up against the U.S. government some time during the early 20th or late 19th century. The government then forces these people into ghettos all across the country.
 
Mikey said:
Maybe a bunch of *insert minority name here* rise up against the U.S. government some time during the early 20th or late 19th century. The government then forces these people into ghettos all across the country.

That might be the case, however, its for anyone who is homeless, mentally retarted (is that the right word?) and even common criminals. Maybe labor strikes and union difficulties could set it off.
 
I wonder how the rest of the world reacts when the United States starts to round up its undesirables and puts them in "Sanctuary Districts".
 

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They say "don't" and we ignore them.

Only if the poor or rather the unemployed were viewed as somehow a danger to the rest of society then would we isolate.

I haven't seen those two episodes in a while but I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned that the US was on hard times. In fact from the looks of it, everything outside of the sanctuarys was great. Maybe there was "full employment" or something close to it but for the unskilled there just wasn't enough jobs and the government seen that the economy couldn't fill them. Rather then have permently unemployed walking the streets, they decided to put them all in one spot until they found a job for them.
 
FederationX said:
This is sort of a mix of Star Trek, future history and alternate history.

How could we make possible so that today there are ghettos controlled by the government, where people cannot leave until they find a job or a place to live. Example: The homeless all around the United States are rounded up and are put into huge ghettos in major American cities until they can find work. The government will try and help find jobs and places to live for them, but until then must live in blocked off parts of the city, governed by the local police. In these ghettos, people live in the abandon buildings, are given a place to sleep and are given ration cards for food and supplies. This is kind of like the Sanctuary District's in the Star Trek universe, which were located in the United States in the early 21st Century (2020s).

If you loose a job do you have to go back in the ghetto?
 
aktarian said:
If you loose a job do you have to go back in the ghetto?

Makes one helluva productivity incentive, doesn't it?

Seriously, that kind of thing was considered more than once in the course of the 19th and even early 20th centuries. I think your POD would have to be here - not necessarily a major one, though it could be. Make Socialism less respectable, labour organisations less mainstream, retain the good ole' class sytem and the conviction that poor people are poor because they deserve it. A more successful 'robber-baron' capitalism could do it. Without the experience of being let down by the old system in WWI and the Great Depression, more pepole might be amenable to such arguments. The key points would be that the poor must be a minority - i.e. not 'us' - and that most people resent being made to pay for their support rather than genuinely wishing to help them.

At the end of the day, it's not that different from the workhouse, is it? You pay for it, you don't see them, and you have the soothing conviction that 'they' are being 'taken care of' and aren't idle or sinful. Plus, it's safer. Lowers crime rates, see?
 
Mikey said:
Maybe a bunch of *insert minority name here* rise up against the U.S. government some time during the early 20th or late 19th century. The government then forces these people into ghettos all across the country.

Like the Indians who were pushed into reservations? It's not what you would think of if you think about ghettos, but it's the closest thing to a ghetto the USA ever had...
 
aktarian said:
If you loose a job do you have to go back in the ghetto?

I doubt it. I'm guessing that they would only shove you in a Santuary District if you couldn't hold a job AND a place to live.
 
carlton_bach said:
Makes one helluva productivity incentive, doesn't it?

Seriously, that kind of thing was considered more than once in the course of the 19th and even early 20th centuries. I think your POD would have to be here - not necessarily a major one, though it could be. Make Socialism less respectable, labour organisations less mainstream, retain the good ole' class sytem and the conviction that poor people are poor because they deserve it. A more successful 'robber-baron' capitalism could do it. Without the experience of being let down by the old system in WWI and the Great Depression, more pepole might be amenable to such arguments. The key points would be that the poor must be a minority - i.e. not 'us' - and that most people resent being made to pay for their support rather than genuinely wishing to help them.

At the end of the day, it's not that different from the workhouse, is it? You pay for it, you don't see them, and you have the soothing conviction that 'they' are being 'taken care of' and aren't idle or sinful. Plus, it's safer. Lowers crime rates, see?


Along these lines, I have read some amusing (yet disturbing) tracts from the late 1800's about the 'plagues' of hoboism. Seems no one understood at the time unemployment had anything to do with economic downturns, and hobos were seen as just a trend of immoral vagrents who chose not to work en-masse. There were local laws prohibiting men without jobs from going into particular towns, criminalizing unemployment in general, from what I remember, but nothing particularly forcing them into a special locale.
 
To make this ab even harder challenge, the general populace needs to accept these districts as a good thing for society.
 
I'm going to bump this one. I think it has some potential. That two parter in ST: DS9 where Bashir and Sisko are in San Franciso in the 2020s was truly a great episode.
 
FederationX said:
I'm going to bump this one. I think it has some potential.


Hey man I never realized you had posted about this.Its one of my favorite DS9 episodes-but more importantly,given the terrible way we deal with homelessness and poverty, I could really see the United States actually doing something like the sancutary districts(or worse) in the next 10-20 years.
 
Michael E Johnson said:
Hey man I never realized you had posted about this.Its one of my favorite DS9 episodes-but more importantly,given the terrible way we deal with homelessness and poverty, I could really see the United States actually doing something like the sancutary districts(or worse) in the next 10-20 years.

I posted this mainly just to talk about the episode, so I'm glad you enjoy it as well. :) I thought the episode was great and I like how they talked a lot about the social problems still in the country. Like you said, I could see the USA doing something along these lines in the near future.
 
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