Modern Anglo-Irish War

Modern Anglo Irish war

Aside from all the "water thats passed under the bridge" between these countries botht countries share a common spoken language, have very similar values and there is a large multi generational Irish community living in England. A response by the UK to proven Irish government involvement in terrorism would be to impose massive economic sanctions which in the 1960's and early 70s would have been very effective at attacking the republic and her interests. Irelands links with Europe at this time were far less developed than today. The strategy of a UK government in this instance would be to isolate the Irish government politically. A military solution would be disasterous for everyone. A far larger British army backed by paramilitiaries after WW1 failed to subjugate Ireland. Any invasion of Ireland would be seen as a return to the War of independance and would unite all Irishmen agains the aggressor. The success tactic would be to alienate the extremist from the moderate and allow Irish politics to take its course
 

Falkenburg

Monthly Donor
A Modern Anglo-Irish War is quite difficult to orchestrate but difficult does not mean impossible.


Suppose a more 'active' Republicanism on the part of Fianna Fail in the 50s and 60s.

This doesn't necessarily lead to armed conflict between the two States but does harden attitudes when the brutal responses to the Civil Disobedience of the Civil Rights Movement turns many Nationalists towards Armed Resistance.

A strengthened Republican Wing of FF could see someone like Neil Blaney take the Leadership, instead of Jack Lynch (the compromise candidate).

Blaney keeps Kevin Boland as his Minister of Defence throughout the 60s, with Charles Haughey holding Finance (in consideration of his support of Blaney for the leadership).

With these pieces in position it is easier to posit a sustained (covert) effort to supply the Northern Nationalists with arms and finance.
I'd go further and have the Irish Army actively providing training for Northern Volunteers (for the purposes of Community Defence only, of course).
Perhaps even supplying a few unofficial 'Advisors' for forward deployment within the Six Counties.

A more Hard-line administration prevents the South being diverted from outrage at the escalating calamity in the North,
as it will quash any rumours of 'Gun Running', or similar malfeasance.

Britain may well be aware of such efforts, nonetheless, with that knowledge tainting relations between the governments and exacerbating frictions.

Playing to its' own constituency the FF Government becomes increasingly strident in their calls for International Arbitration and Intervention in the North.
This only succeeds in antagonising the British Government further, perhaps even generating a backlash against Irish communities in Britain itself.

Bear in mind the period (Late 60s/Early 70s).
Publicly displayed signs saying "No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs" are not an urban myth.
Racism and corruption are rife in the Police and Judiciary.
Britain has a disturbing track record in dealing with insurgencies and suspected civilian 'sympathisers'.

If the British political Establishment were to feel its' 'National Honour' were at stake they could easily be moved to embroil themselves in the murkier depths of the developing quagmire.

A bitter (and even more brutal) Proxy War ensues between the cats paws of the respective Governments.

Economic relations flounder in this atmosphere of anger and recrimination.
Although the two States never actually declare War on each other the period 1969 - 75 comes to be known as the Second Anglo-Irish War.


Less convoluted would be to have Ireland align itself with Iceland in seeking to protect its' territorial waters from British incursions.

This theatre of the conflict then becomes known as the Anglo-Irish War, within the wider Cod War.

Falkenburg
 
This theatre of the conflict then becomes known as the Anglo-Irish War, within the wider Cold War.

Falkenburg

I like this, but how does it actually relate to the Cold War? Irelands friend in dealings with Britain was always America, and as the UK is Americas strident ally it'll be quite the balancing act trying to placate the Irish-American lobby and whatever anti-NATO elements exist in the British government.
And Ireland getting into bed with the Soviets? Unless the Russians can smuggle used Kalashnikovs into erry with the US going ape-shit insane that's not going to hapen.
 
I think perhaps you had better re-evaluate what your meaning of 'occupied' is.

British Army suppresed civil rigts, even killed civilians(Bloody Sunday),and 30-40% of population(catholics) had no politicall rights and were second class citizens.

Today is better, but Ulster must went back to Motherland.

I do not want to offend anyone with this, but that is my opinion
 
British Army suppresed civil rigts, even killed civilians(Bloody Sunday),and 30-40% of population(catholics) had no politicall rights and were second class citizens.

Today is better, but Ulster must went back to Motherland.

I do not want to offend anyone with this, but that is my opinion

Hey, I'm the most vitriolic nationalist on here and even I know to mind my tongeu whist discussing Ulster, don't go ruining all my good work at smoothing over race relations.
 

Falkenburg

Monthly Donor
I like this, but how does it actually relate to the Cold War?

Er, if you check what I said was "Cod War", not "Cold War". ;)

Meant as a semi-serious suggestion, as I was finding myself becoming embroiled in the machinations of provoking an actual 'Boots On The Ground' War.

Falkenburg
 
Hey, I'm the most vitriolic nationalist on here and even I know to mind my tongeu whist discussing Ulster, don't go ruining all my good work at smoothing over race relations.
well, good for you.

as i said, if this is consideret offensive, and the moderators ban for this, then please erase my post, if not, i stand by it.

Ok, I maybe bias, because we Croats had a simmilar case with part of Croatia with Serbian majority, but eventually we won that war , Ireland didn't have the strenght in 1922. to defeat both British Army and rich and heavily armed Loyalist in the North.
 

Hibernicus

Banned
British Army suppresed civil rigts, even killed civilians(Bloody Sunday),and 30-40% of population(catholics) had no politicall rights and were second class citizens.

Today is better, but Ulster must went back to Motherland.

I do not want to offend anyone with this, but that is my opinion

No offence taken, infact you are quite correct :D
 
We should form a Club. ;)

Who wants to organise the Split? :p

Falkenburg

I will.

I disgaree with the General-Secretary on the point of our support for the "Occupy" movement. Unless we can come to the conclusion that we should all bus ourselves down to Dublin and occupy the GPO in solidarity with the "99%" then I'm out!
 

Hibernicus

Banned
I will.

I disgaree with the General-Secretary on the point of our support for the "Occupy" movement. Unless we can come to the conclusion that we should all bus ourselves down to Dublin and occupy the GPO in solidarity with the "99%" then I'm out!

Awk cmon nai, shurely ya wud occupy da joint wif yer mates n all dat craic?
 

Falkenburg

Monthly Donor
I will.

I disgaree with the General-Secretary on the point of our support for the "Occupy" movement. Unless we can come to the conclusion that we should all bus ourselves down to Dublin and occupy the GPO in solidarity with the "99%" then I'm out!

Such actions are futile. The Capitalist Dogs will only be moved by direct action against their interests.
Symbolic Civil Disobedience is a distraction from the legitimate Struggle.

As such, proponents of such a course of action are obviously acting as Cats Paws for the bourgeoisie.

You must be Purged! :p

Falkenburg
 
Awk cmon nai, shurely ya wud occupy da joint wif yer mates n all dat craic?
I don't know what it is, but you just really started reminding me of a troll I used to argue with on YouTube who accused me of being from Ardoyne, dealing drugs, working in Burger King and being in the IRA.

Such actions are futile. The Capitalist Dogs will only be moved by direct action against their interests.
Symbolic Civil Disobedience is a distraction from the legitimate Struggle.

As such, proponents of such a course of action are obviously acting as Cats Paws for the bourgeoisie.

You must be Purged! :p

Falkenburg
Oh shit no! I'm leaving the club, I'm leaving the club!!!
 
British Army suppresed civil rigts, even killed civilians(Bloody Sunday),and 30-40% of population(catholics) had no politicall rights and were second class citizens.

Today is better, but Ulster must went back to Motherland.

I do not want to offend anyone with this, but that is my opinion

Don't troll, there are people on this board who are Unionists and have relations who live on the west bank of Londonderry and have rather different view of the period than you. This is one of those topics where you have to tread extra carefully.
 
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