Mitteleuropa in an early CP victory

If you mean fight their way into it probably not. They lack the manpower.

However, if they knock out the French Armies (possible given better luck or judgement in the Battles of the Frontiers) then they can starve Paris out at their leisure, if they don't just get to occupy it under the terms of an armistice.

Actual capture of Paris isn't necessary to win, providing they can sever the rail links between it and wherever the French armiues are, since that cuts the latter's supply lines.

No, what i meant was what i posted, the Germans had no chance of taking Paris with the Sclieffen plan as it was enacted by Moltke Junior.
 
Presuming some sort of delaying action and the Germans capture Paris in later 1914, the Russians are still in a handy position to make for a S.Q.A. peace at that point. By May 1 1915 in OTL the Germans had captured only the frontier of Russian Poland and did not make serious headway until later on. Certainly the Germans and AH can now devote many more resources to the East while carving up French interests amongst themselves. I think Russia will negotiate their way out with Poland certainly becoming a CP state, but Finland and the Ukraine are less likely. Yes, the opportunity for a joint venture into Russia is there, but Austria is having internal problems. The war might go into late 1915, with the Gorlice-Tarnow breakthrough perhaps achieving even more as more manpower and supplies spent in OTL Western Front an Italy come into play. Maybe OE joins for a crack at the Caucasian mountain chain, though maybe they sit the war out and try to modernize as they were doing OTL. Either way, unless Berlin and Vienna are willing to push for 3-4 years of extra warfare I think the best scenario you get is a CP Ukraine satellite and then only if Russia holds little/no CP territory with a few significant defeats of its own. Manpower will tell in time, but then war dissatisfaction at home could play out as well depending on the scenario. I also concur with earlier posters in that this war only encourages a future conflict given that far fewer people will be dead here.
 
No, what i meant was what i posted, the Germans had no chance of taking Paris with the Sclieffen plan as it was enacted by Moltke Junior.


I doubt if they can take it even with an unmodified SP as long as the French Armies are undefeated. But if/when the French armies are defeated, I don't see how it avoids being either captured by force or occupied under the terms of an armistice.
 
I doubt if they can take it even with an unmodified SP as long as the French Armies are undefeated. But if/when the French armies are defeated, I don't see how it avoids being either captured by force or occupied under the terms of an armistice.

I think that's pretty obvious isn't it. :p
 
But why Germany need to continue? B-L means Russia need to be humiliated and have similar situation like OTL, means Revolution. Even after February Revolution, Russia was willing to fight. Only Bolsheviks made B-L to consolidate their power. So in 1915 Russians no way to accept B-L.
To make ultimatum B-L means Germany need to fight long war against Russia. I don't know if Germany was willing to do it. As I understand Germany was more eager to fight short war.



It means no B-L.

The difference is in 1917/18 the Russians agreed to B-L despite the Western Front was still undecided and they KNEW the US was coming.

TTL Russia would be on its own - sure still strong but gacing 2 Great powers + Turkey and a few minor allies.

The big question would be : how much will Germany want to take and what is Russia willing to yield? - if Russia chooses to fight we will see basically the same 1915 as OTL, but with Russia pushed a bit back further (as the Germans can bring more of their army East. I assume that there also will be a fleet backed push through the Baltics towards Leningrad. So I assume if the Russians won't give up late 1915 they will have 1916 (no Brussilov offensive as they will have lost more than otl - and A-H will be definitely stronger without having to maintain an army vs Italy.

early "Tanks" might be designed as "Cavalry" tanks TTL instead of OTLS infantry support units... (i.E. smaller, faster)
 
Even in 1917 the Tsar would have continued fighting, it was the Russian Revolution that took the Russian armies out of the war, the mass of russian soldiers were dissaffected. Lenin had a huge impact on revolutionary organisation and the direction of revolutionary feelings. Lenin being allowed to pass through Germany to Russia was a product of the OTL, itself a product of increasing desperation in the GHC, the fact that France had survived was the corner stone of that desperation. So if France falls the Germans may never allow Lenin through Germany. However if France falls then dissafection with the war may grow and spread more rapidly through the Russian ranks.
 
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