Mithras Supreme

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by tom, Jan 9, 2004.

  1. tom Member

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    Norman & Tom B:
    EXCELLENT! This helps explain the Lost Lifetime and to slow things down significantly even after it is over (the Interplanar Alliance background requires the timeline technology to be a few years ahead of OTL at the most). I figure the 20th Century will have increasing resource problems, especially petroleum...remember, they used some up in the first Industrial Revolution, just like we did, then used up more in the Recovery, so their problems will be bigger than OTL's. Resource extraction and usage may be a couple decades ahead of OTL, much more efficient, since this is likely the main priority when technology starts moving again. This may be a good bargaining chip with the IA.
     
  2. MerryPrankster Donor

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    "Paedrik Robbison, is a core figure that rose up in New Phyrigia. Leader of a Mithraic sect that held itself out to be purer than most, after the war had struck down Saxonland, declared that the 'Nuclear fires were Mithra's punishment of man for challanging the gods.'"

    Getting in a little bit of political commentary, eh?
     
  3. Norman Member

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    As the old song goes, "It's that time of the season."
     
  4. Norman Member

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    Official Memo:

    To: Commander of Black Sea Garrison
    From: Central Hind Command

    This memo is to athorize you to take all necessary and reasonable measures to safeguard the persons of citizens of Hind in all aspects of their living. The latest stories related to terrorist bombings by these 'Byzantine Christians' who live in your district have enflamed our people, and, more importantly, gained the attention of the Assemble.
     
  5. tom Member

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    Present Day Mithras

    The Peace of the Unburied Dead has ended with the passing of the generations which saw the War and its immediate Aftermath. CBN weapons of Mass Destruction have finally been reinvented. The Pact of The Eleven (Leoland, Gothland, reunited New Mithrasland, Thorland, New Leoland, New Thorland, New Saxonland, the Hind Khanate, the Chien Khanate, the Saharan Coptic Empire and the Turkic Coptic Empire) have consolidated their nukes and have one simple rule: Any nation, even a member state, which uses chemical, biological, nuclear or (revised) nanotechnological weapons of mass destruction, no matter the reason, is to be destroyed. No exceptions.
    Conventional wars have occurred in the New World, between the Native and Mithraic nations, caused by a native movement for more power and territory. Native nations lost both. In Europe, New Mithrasland has united once again, and even expanded into Hind territory. The Coptic empires have expanded south, stopping the Disintegration and leading to consolidations (both peacefully and not) among the states of Africa. They have made treaties of mutual defense among themselves, and expansion south has stopped. Europe has finally seen the wisdom of unity and has recreated the old Europe (with some twiddled borders. Orthodox Christians have no homeland now, and get little or no help from the Coptics, who consider them heretics and counterfeit Christians and thus worse than Buddhists and Mithraists.
    POPULATION:
    1.9 Billion Buddhists
    1.3 Billion Mithraists
    0.9 Billion Coptics
    0.7 Billion agnostics
    0.3 Billion atheists
    0.2 Billion Orthodox
    0.2 Billion Catholics, Jews, other minor religions.
    Technology is a little more advanced than OTL 2004. Physics lags, but Chemistry is much more advanced, with passive nanotechnology common, and experimental active nanotechnology being developed in labs (the going is slower with these prototypes than originally expected). Manned space flight is limited to a few scientific moonbases (like our Antarctica), one big Mars expedition in the early history of the Pact of Eleven, and routine orbital work, but unmanned probes have thouroughly investigated almost every solar system object with a radius much greater than 100 miles of so, and quite a few comets and smaller asteroids. Genetic engineering is being cautiously used to help repair the effects of the War.

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    Thanks for all the help, Norman.
    Even After the Mushrooms Go Up, nukes will be reinvented eventually unless Civilization Collapses totally and never revives. It is just too tempting, and there are too many potential seekers. Nobody can be SURE someone else is not doing it, so everybody has an incentive to do it themselves. My Pact of Eleven is probably the best way to ensure long term no-use.
    IA peole: If this is too advanced at time of discovery, just tone it down a skooch.
     
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    Damn, you guys did an awesome job. One of the most unique worlds I've ever seen. Nice.
     
  8. DominusNovus Humbled by Fate

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    Looks very good (cromwell is the only plane that even comes close to this in detail). As for technology, looks fine for the ICN, but I'd just like to clarify what the nanotechnology of this plane is capable of.
     
  9. tom Member

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    More Mithras landmarks

    THE FOREST OF SOULS
    Located on the Mediterranean coast at the border between the two Coptic Empires, this monument to the 400 million who died in 1802 is the size of a large city. Each mansized pillar is filigreed in a unique pattern of copper, gold and bronze represents one of the casualties, and is coated in a diamondoid veneeer one thousanth of a fingerspan thick.

    THE THOUSAND MANREACH TOWER
    1,000 manreaches high (about 7500 feet) this tower was built on the site of the signing of the Pact of Eleven in rebuilt Rome, made an International City. The Pope has returned from his centuries long Eerland Exile, and is headquartered here with the Mithraic Father of Fathers. The tower has become a de facto United Nations building as well, and also has major "embassies" of the other major religions. At night, its multi-megawatt sulfur light can be seen for over 100 miles.
     
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    G. Bone:
    Think 3D phased array optics, voice input and language translation by computers, pocket libraries (with Library of Congress, 100,000 songs, 10,000 movies and all TV series episodes), and other such levels of technology (about 2020 at Moore's Law rate).
     
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    Some Mithraic festivals and Holidays:

    Winter Soltice - Holiday of Mithra's Birth Begins Four days before and extends seven days afterwards. In Europe and New Phygia it is celebrated by lighting candles and placing green boughs around the house. (OTL Dec 21 through December 31st.

    The Easterling: Festival of the arrival of spring, celebrated with eggs and fresh lamb.

    The Hightide: The Summer soltice. Fire works and bonfires.

    The Darkening: One week after the Autumnal Equinox. Celebrations and thanksgiving during the day, dark tales at night.
     
  12. Tom_B Member

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    Birth of Mithras

    I always thought it was December 25. Supposedly Chrisitianity borrowed it. It is possible that in a TL where the two remain very long term competitors Chrisitianity might move Christmas to another day.
     
  13. G.Bone lurks

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    Hon., HI
    excuse me...but i never posted a question to you....
     
  14. DominusNovus Humbled by Fate

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    I think he meant to reply that to me.
     
  15. tom Member

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    DominusNovus:
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
    Never put on a sizable posting during a 15 minute work break on the job!
    You're right, of course.
    Here's a few more Mithran nanotech toys:
    Books, magazines and newspapers...with full color moving pictures, like Harry Potter.
    OTL PC equivalents that you wear like glasses + hearing aids.
    Magic dust (a forerunner of Hall's proposed utility fog)...but they're having problems getting out of beta testing.
    And BTW, I appologize for my Western bias...with 100 million members, Hinduism has as many as the other "minor" religions put together.
     
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    Norman:
    Is there a holiday for the Bull Slaying?
    I look forward to your examples of Mithras television! Remember, even the "backwaters" have the equivalent of digital HDTV, most have 3D phased array optics and the top of the line is Virtual Reality.
     
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    Ceremonial Bull Slaying

    Because this is a central tenet of the faith, there is, but it is part of the on-going public rituals of the faith. Two rituals have evolved over the years, a symbolic ritual in which a Mithraic father slays the symbol of the bull, and more formal full rituals (on the new moon), in which young initiates have their faith tested through chanllanging an actual bull.

    The symbolic ritual is usually performed at dawn or dusk, dawn to represent Mithra's daily victory and return of the light, and dusk to represent faith in Mithra through the dark night. Wine is used as the symbol of the bull's blood, and, since this is an open ritual attended by male and female, young and old, there are stories, usually exaggerated and told by Buddhists, about how these ceremonies get out of hand.

    (Truth to be told, these stories are sometimes spread by Mithraic missionaries).

    The High Ceremony, involving young initiates testing their faith, is performed at the time of the New moon and is linked to the mysteries. Originally a secret rite, a more public ceremony has developed over the centuries, and the ceremonies are widely attended, and sometimes even televized.

    It is considered particularly auspicious is the night is clear and the constellations easily seen. Again, it represents the victory of Mithra over the primal dark.

    Although there is much ceremony, the central rite involvesThe initiates, generally well prepared, face the bull's fury, one at a time, approaching the bull as closely as possible, some even touching the bull. Although deaths occur, initiates are well trained, so the deaths are rare. Scars obtained and borne during these ceremonies are worn as badges by some of the more militant members of the faithful.
     
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    (Truth to be told, these stories are sometimes spread by Mithraic missionaries).

    LOL!
    Since Astrology is so important in this religion, Norman, how did the Mithraists react to
    1) Supernovae and close up novae and
    2) Discovery of asteroids, Uranus, Neptune, moons, etc.?

    BTW, 1971 would be a good discovery date. Since Mithras had recovered its 1802 technology by 1900 and was starting to move again, even a slow rate of progress could give it something a decade or two beyond present day OTL.
     
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    More tourist attractions

    THE NAPPON BRIDGES
    Connect Chien to Kurasako (Sakhalin), Nappon's "fifth island" and then the other main islands of Nappon. Over most of their length one cannot see either terminus, and it is difficult to see across the bridge from one side.

    DAM OF HERCULES
    Blocks off the Mediterranean Sea at the Pillars of Hercules. The sea is lowered by several manreaches and this allows the hydroelectric plant there to be the largest single power source in the world.
     
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    Tourist Attraction

    The New Phrygian Glaciers.

    After the Great War, the combination of dust from the explosions, combined with already high levels of water from the earlier global warming, resulted in large and significant snowfalls in Northern New Phrygia. Within a generation a unique phenomena was noted, Glaciers moving south.

    Fortunately, the climate soon moderated, but signiifcant glaciation existed along the Northern Mountains of the Continent, with the snow fall and meltage almost exactly countering eachother. Melting waters would cascade off the glaciers, and on sunny days, the rainbows were quite remarkable.

    For many years tourist groups were allowed to approach the glaciers, but the unfortunately glacial collapse of 1910 ended the practice.