Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread
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That probably require several break throughs in steel production and chemistry a few decades before OTL.
what happened to land under a peerage after its becomes forfeit? like say if an english earldom gets forfeited, does the king become the new earl in all but name, perhaps appointing somekind of steward? or do the barons/ hundreds underneath become the new highest level of direct authority?
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Usually, when a title goes extinct for whatever reason, the titles and land go back to the King. If he wants to, he can create a new Earldom and give the title to someone else...
It depends what period of history you're considering.
For example, during Edward the Confessor of England's arguments with the Godwine family, he exiled them all at one point and one of the Godwinsons forfeited his earldom (East Anglia, iirc) - which was immediately given to someone else as the new earl (Ælfgar, son of Leofric of Mercia, iirc). The same sort of thing happened quite a few times over the following few centuries.
It just wasn't practical to have an earldom without an earl - as you've hinted at, this would have left a gap in the various levels of authority, particularly once feudalism was firmly established.
In later centuries when titles were given by letters patent and were less concerned with military matters (in other words, when becoming an earl or other noble didn't automatically bring with it the need to provide a set number of knights/etc for a number of days per year), then titles could be left vacant without having such a potential negative impact on the defence of the realm. So the monarch could afford to have a vacant earldom/dukedom/whatever - either from a line going extinct or if a title were forfeited.
Any title once created never really dies out though; as vandevere says above, any empty title reverts to the crown and is available any time in the future - if a new 'Earl of Thisplace' is created, it's a 're-creation' of the old earldom.
Some titles are vested permanently in the crown (such as the Duchies of Rothesay and Lancaster, for example).
The above is the system in the UK (and its constituent countries in earlier centuries) - it may well be different in other countries.
There's some information here: https://www.britannica.com/topic/earl-title
and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl#Changing_power_of_English_earls
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The title of the Duke of Rutland was on the verge of extinction in the early 20th century as it had one unmarried male heir who had two male living relatives, one I think was married without children and the other gay and old. IIRC what would have happened is that the title would have reverted to the crown, but the land would have been split between the primary female heirs, the entail being broken by the demise of the title
late medieval england, was trying to figure out what fell under the kings demense. i think i understand now tho
Who would inhabit Estonia, Pannonia, Sapmi, Finland and Karelia if the Uralic peoples just, never existed ?
How about the Chukutko-Kamchatkan peoples, particularly Chukchis and Koryaks (although we need a scenario that would wank beyond their OTL occupation of reindeer herders.)
That's a hell of an interesting scenario, and I'll make a map about it rn, but I was more wondering like, realistically, what people might have been there instead
Although Chukutko-Kamchatkan (most specifically Chukchi-Koryak clans) tribes settling in Pannonia (and beyond) would be more complicated.
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They’d be as influential as the Germans. Assuming that the Soviets still exist, they’d likely die off depending on the way the world goes.
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Look at hat happened to Warwick after his rebellion against Edward IV - he had no male heir, so the title reverted to the crown (but see below), whilst the lands and assets were split between his two daughters, both of whom were married to Edward IV's brothers - one the Duke of Clarence, one the Duke of Gloucester (later Richard III). The title Earl of Warwick was recreated for Clarence's son (the Warwick who would later rebel, or be rebelled, against Henry VII)
Do also note that if an earl or duke dies leaving only a child heir, that child can become a ward of the crown who can essentially decide who to marry them off to - hence when the last Mowbray Duke of Norfolk died, Edward IV decided to marry his child heir Anne to his own son, Richard, Duke of York, thus bringing the Mowbray lands and money to his son (but not the title, which reverted to the crown)
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Does anybody happen to know the area of the Rhineland east of the rhine?
What if Puquina language became the principal language of the Inca Empire?
PS: This is inspired by the video lecture by Prof. Rodolfo Cerrón Palomino.
PS: This is inspired by the video lecture by Prof. Rodolfo Cerrón Palomino.