Yeah. Personally it's likelier to me than her claiming the throne. BUT we know nothing about her personality. She could.
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I don't think so.
The only reason for her to have a claim in the first place is to prevent Henri IV to become king of France. If she marries him, she has no claim.
(Also, he is already married anyway. In OTL, he got the annulment only after winning the civil war.)
His marriage can be butterflied e.g. by Marguerite dying of illness or childbirth.
If Philip and Elisabeth had a son, he could marry her and unite THEIR claims. Now that would be Habsburg-level incest
It does not change the fact that the only reason anyone may support Marie-Elisabeth is precisely to prevent Henri IV to become king of France. If she marries him, her potential supporters would switch to another claimer like a Lorraine or a Catholic Bourbon.
If Philip and Elisabeth have a son, he is heir to the throne of Spain. Even most extreme Leaguers would not want a personal union between France and Spain.
But Marie-Elisabeth can marry her first cousin Henri de Lorraine (Claude's son). Or a Guise. Or a Catholic Bourbon. Or an Austrian Habsburg in order to get Philip's support.
Don Carlos...but that's of course assuming the butterflies change his IOTL death.
Well, as for Austrian Habsburgs, there are not a lot of them around. And let's not pollute the Valois bloodline like the Habsburgs did
I had assumed Don Carlos had died as in OTL.
If he survives, you can have many changes. He may even marry Marguerite.
There are Maximilian II's sons. They are Marie-Elisabeth's maternal uncles but we all know this did not stop dynastic marriages at this time, especially in the Habsburg family.
There is also the future Ferdinand II (and his brothers but they are still a little young).
Maximilian II's sons? God, we're going to have a Charles II of Spain but sitting on the French throne this time around. Are there no other men suitable?
The future Ferdinand II. He is six years younger than Marie-Elisabeth
Which means she's too old for him. She's going to be needed to produce children, can't do that with a very young man (as she would be considered fertile at around 14/15)
She can wait him to come to age. A woman fertile at 14/15 is still fertile at 20/21.
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Have we found the out of context message of the week , gentlemen? lol
I mean, age gaps are...not ideal. Example: Isabella and Katherine of Aragon
Is the establishment of a hegimonic "Universal Monarchy" through personal union possible at any point after Emperor Charles V's abdication? If yes, then how can it be achieved?
Idk what qualifies as one.
Austria, Spain & France maybe?
If that's not possible, then a personal union of any 3 kingdoms between England/GB, France, Spain/Portugal, Austria and Poland-Lithuania.
Idk what qualifies as one.
Austria, Spain & France maybe?
If that's not possible, then a personal union of any 3 kingdoms between England/GB, France, Spain/Portugal, Austria and Poland-Lithuania.
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England/Spain union would be possible if Philip II and Mary I had had a son and Don Carlos still died as IOTL. Throw in Portugal by having them succeed Sebastian. Austria is harder but can be done if this son has a daughter that marries in.Is the establishment of a hegimonic "Universal Monarchy" through personal union possible at any point after Emperor Charles V's abdication? If yes, then how can it be achieved?
Idk what qualifies as one.
Austria, Spain & France maybe?
If that's not possible, then a personal union of any 2 kingdoms between England/GB, France, Spain/Portugal and Austria.
If they had a better 19th century, Iran still declined into irrelevance and chaos, and pan-Turkic nationalism evolved like it did IOTL, then it's very likely they could've colonised them in the early 20th century after a Great War perhaps, as long as they gave Russia and Britain their fair share (probably means splitting Azerbaijan with the Russians and giving Britain most/all of the Persian Gulf).
That's... Exchange Ottoman-controlled Armenia for Russian-controlled Azerbaijan?
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