Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread

‘Low-Tariff US Economy’. My understanding is that IOTL, much tax revenue and fostering of domestic industrialization came from tariff money. Without tariffs—at least, for the most part—I wonder if America could still become an economic colossus comparable to its OTL counterpart (however unlikely it takes the needed path).

In fact, removing tariffs worldwide and encouraging free trade early would be especially interesting, though it may or may not be an ASB proposition.
 
It is often the case that people on this forum have miscellaneous or frivolous questions that could be easily answered by the many experts on this forum but are difficult to find the answer to on Google Scholar/Books or Wikipedia because they don't often deal in alternatives.

There are other cases where people have miscellaneous or frivolous scenarios or challenges that they want to share about an idea they encountered that could perhaps provoke inspiration in other users but isn't deserving enough to be posted as a thread on its own.

These issues have been addressed in the Shared Worlds and ASB forums but haven't been dealt with here.

This thread is intended to be a resource for those with questions about a timeline they want to construct which are minor and undeserving of their own thread, and a place to share ideas that people don't have time, skill or knowledge to write themselves.
What would be the effect of Islamic Basques?
 
Does anyone know to what extent the climate/geological changes POD is assigned to ASB as per CalBears post? I was thinking about a timeline in which Vesuvius didn't erupt thus Pompeii and the surrounding remained extant. But I don't know which forum I should be posting in - ASB or pre-1900?
 
Does anyone know to what extent the climate/geological changes POD is assigned to ASB as per CalBears post? I was thinking about a timeline in which Vesuvius didn't erupt thus Pompeii and the surrounding remained extant. But I don't know which forum I should be posting in - ASB or pre-1900?
I think here as is more an event POD but likely @CalBear @Burton K Wheeler and @Dom are the only ones who can give a definitive answer
 
Here's an idea, capitalism and socialism being associated with opposite political government types. As in socialist monarchies vs capitalist republics.

The POD would be middle ages at the latest but given enough cultural shifts, it might be possible to image a world where monarchs, a religious populace and communes, unions, and the like working together against the radical social and economic liberalism that develops.
 
Potential bride prospects for Jorge de Lencastre, in a situation where he is recognized as legitimate king and wins a succession war against Manuel of Viseu?
 
Potential bride prospects for Jorge de Lencastre, in a situation where he is recognized as legitimate king and wins a succession war against Manuel of Viseu?
Pretty complicated as Spain will not give him Infanta Isabella but maybe they would be willing to offer Infanta Maria for him.
 
- Harold Godwinson isn't kidnapped by William of Normandy in 1064 meaning he isn't present at Mont St Michel and William drowns in the quicksand.
- With William gone, Harold feels safe enough to side with his brother Tostig against the rebels and he remains Earl of Northumbria.
- He also feels safe enough to let Edgar II be crowned instead of him. He's then blindsided by Hardrada after he takes York without a fight when the Aldermen just hand Tostig over to him. Earls Edwin and (newly made) Morcar Leofricson join him.
- Hardrada defeats Gyrth of East Anglia at Heacham while Harold takes the Mercian capitals of Tamworth and Lichfield. Gyrth and leofwine then draw Olaf to battle at the appropriate site of Bury St Edmunds.
- Hardrada splits his forces and goes after Harold meeting him at Frisby (Melton Mowbray) where he's defeated as well as Olaf at Bury St Edmunds.
- Edith Leofric is first married to Olaf, then Harold Godwin in a peace Treaty. Magnus II rules Norway solo while his sister Ingegerd married Edgar II. He's succeeded by his son Haakon II (married to Ingrid of Denmark) and rules longer due to no Magnus III.
- Robert of Normandy becomes duke at 13 after his fathers death. Conan of Brittany takes advantage to push back into Normandy and maybe even push his claim
- Wulfnoth Godwin is made Earl of Mercia and Tostigs son Skuli is made Earl of Northumbria. Resentment towards the Godwins eventually causes an independent Edgar to throw them under the bus.
 
Pretty complicated as Spain will not give him Infanta Isabella but maybe they would be willing to offer Infanta Maria for him.
That's the logical choice, but ITTL the Catholic Monarchs have some serious beef with Jorge due to events during the *War of Portuguese Succession, so they're out of the picture. Any other options?
 
Leif Eriksson or a later Greenlander expedition (maybe those which wood in gathered wood in Markland) introduce feral cats to the Americas around 1000 - 1200 AD. Would there be any noticeable changes on human cultures aside from the obvious early impact on small birds? And what would the cats look like by the time Europeans show up again at the end of the 16th century? Big and fluffy to survive the cold winters of the area like a Maine Coon?
 
That's the logical choice, but ITTL the Catholic Monarchs have some serious beef with Jorge due to events during the *War of Portuguese Succession, so they're out of the picture. Any other options?
Still is a King near to them so a wedding with Maria is still the best options for both sides (Isabella pretty much hated both Alfonso V and John II but still accepted the wedding between Isabella and prince Alfonso)... If not Maria is likely who Ferdinand will offer at least his niece Juana (the dowager Queen of Naples). Excluding both princesses of Aragon things became pretty complicated. France can offer Germaine of Foix or Anne of Foix-Candale. The princesses of Navarre are too young but one of their paternal aunt would work (and at least Charlotte is still unmarried). France can offer also Charlotte of Naples (daughter of the last King of Naples)
 
Not sure if I'd want this as a two-part POD or have it be fully separate timelines.
First idea is have Staten Island be part of New Jersey from as early as possible. What changes to the rest of the world, or even to the development of Staten Island itself?
The second idea is to have Jersey big-whiggs try to one-up the consolidation of NYC. They manage to get all the parts by the Hudson river, Newark, and the other inner/denser parts of northern New Jersey into this new "New Jersey City". More land area than NYC by a small amount and like with NYC the outer parts of a couple of counties get chopped off and form new counties.
 
How could one develop a world in which the Vikings/Norse, Polynesians, and Mongols control the maximum possible territory and survive as global superpowers into the 1900s, all without straying into ASB territory? Maybe Polynesian and Norse conquests in the Americas and Australia, while the Mongols expand down into Africa?
 
How could one develop a world in which the Vikings/Norse, Polynesians, and Mongols control the maximum possible territory and survive as global superpowers into the 1900s, all without straying into ASB territory? Maybe Polynesian and Norse conquests in the Americas and Australia, while the Mongols expand down into Africa?
Challenging but doable.

Polynesians: No pause in their expansion so they reach South America early and by early AD times have a solid, yet slow trade route (plus have colonised Galapagos and the Juan Fernandez Islands). Aotearoa is settled around that time. Maize, quinoa, and potatoes are dispersed throughout the area. With rapid growth all over Aotearoa they end up settling Australia and Tasmania. By the early 2nd millennia the Aotearoans unite although Australia is divided into numerous alt-Maori states. Each begins more extensive trade with SE Asia and China in this time, and a unified religion based on Buddhism, Hinduism, and Austronesian traditional beliefs emerges. Contact with Europe results in this religion solidifying, as well as the state deriving a more militant outlook after botched Spanish efforts to interfere in the region. In the 17th-18th century, a string of successful leaders conquers much of eastern Australia and during the 19th century, "Pan-Pacific" ideologies become popular which results in the remaining Australian states being conquered as well as colonisation of much of the Pacific. After victory in the Great War alongside Vinland over Japan and their European allies for control of the Pacific, the Aotearoans struggle against decolonisation ideologies which results in the formation of a federation of states named the Polynesian Federation. Nearly the entirety of Polynesia is under their rule. The modern Polynesian Federation has around 100 million people and a GDP of over 4.3 trillion [or whatever this world's equivalent of US dollars is]. They are a key exporter of resources and have a military capable of global deployment. Polynesia also is a leader in research in the fields of desert engineering, ocean sciences, polar research, and space research.

Mongols: The Mongol Empire conquers as OTL, with a notable divergence at Ain Jalut where the Mongols beat the Mamluks which is followed up by an invasion and conquest of Egypt. However, the Mongol Empire is similarly divided like OTL. But unlike OTL, the Mongols remain strong and powerful. In China, the Yuan are overthrown although the Northern Yuan retains considerable strength and returns in force following the collapse of the Ming, re-establishing the Yuan. In Russia, the Golden Horde reforms and retains considerable power. It converts to Orthodoxy and absorbs the Russian states and colonises Siberia while threatening Europe repeatedly over the centuries. It continues to reform to match Europe and emerges as perhaps the strongest country in Europe, challenged only at sea by the British Empire and on land by the 19th century Greater German Empire. After the Great War, it's dominance is secured as the most powerful country in Europe, a key exporter of nearly every resource, and the world's second largest food producer (after Vinland). It has a population of 725 million and a GDP of 25 trillion. The Golden Horde periodically intervenes in the Middle East to keep the Ilkhanate propped up, although the Ilkhanate's fortunes periodically wax and wane depending on its leadership. Still, it retains control of much of the Iranian plateau and nearby areas although by the 20th century, although it's little but a puppet of the Golden Horde, or "Tartary" as its most often called. However, skillful investment of oil wealth allows for industrialisation and the creation of a strong economy and its emergence as a strong regional power. They have a population of 105 million and a GDP of 3.5 trillion. The Yuan dynasty stumbles while modernising, allowing Japan to temporarily gain some strength and even defeat them in a war, but still manages to be a considerable power in the early 20th century. After the Great War in which they play a key effort in smashing Japan, their economy rapidly develops and they become a hyperpower. They have a population of 1.4 billion and a GDP of 40 trillion, the highest in the world in both metrics. In the modern age, the three states of the former Mongol Empire--the Iranian Khaganate, the Chinese Empire of the Yuan Dynasty, and the Tatar Khaganate--enjoy good relations despite some past tensions and different religions and even common languages under a shared ideology of "Borjiginism". These three states and many former parts of the Mongol Empire in the Middle East and Southeast Asia are organised into the "Asian Federation" which includes some shared economic policies and mutual assistance, which is sometimes nicknamed the "Neo-Mongol Empire" as the ceremonial president is elected from amongst Borjigin descendents. While Tatar, Chinese, and Persian are the main languages in each of the three countries respectively, a popular revival of Mongol (an archaic form of the Mongol languages spoken in North Asia) is used as an auxiliary language (including at the Asian Federation) and is spoken by many in these three nations and beyond. Further, the Tatar language and many Turkic, Tungusic, and so-called "Paleo-Siberian" languages have been written in a modified Mongol alphabet since the 16th century to promote literacy and national unity.

Norse: Unified Scandinavia (the United Kingdoms of Scandinavia) in the 15th century makes an early effort to recolonise Vinland. Over the centuries, Scandinavian settlers take huge amounts of land in the New World and Caribbean. In Europe, they conquer the Baltic, although lose much of it in wars with the Golden Horde or German states, while in the Americas, they expel the British and French from their holdings in the New World outside of some Caribbean islands and those south of the Chesepeake. In the late 18th century, they revolt over high taxes to support Scandinavian wars in Europe, but the rebellion is put down thanks to infighting amongst the rebels and becomes the focus of reform in the United Kingdoms of Scandinavia. By the early 19th century, pan-Nordicism dominates and creates the Atlantic Commonwealth, a union of all the Norse colonies in the New World stretching from the High Arctic to some smaller Caribbean islands (excluding the Southeast, thoroughly British). The Scandinavian king is offered the crown of Vinland by the Vinlandic colonies, which federates them and creates the Vinlandic Empire. Soon, Vinland takes the lead economically and colonises much of the west, and after the 19th century Western War, partitioning it with the Confederate States of America and Mexico at the Mississippi, Red River of the South, and 35th parallel north (with some altered borders in California based on topography). The Commonwealth's main rivals, Britain and Germany (ruled by communist states), start the Great War over various issues allied with Japan, Italy, and a few minor states, but the vast resources of Vinland and the Commonwealth's main allies, Polynesia, the Golden Horde, and China, allow their solid victory in the war. In the peace treaty, the Commonwealth restores the British monarchy but instead of restoring the unpopular former royal family restores a branch of their own royal family which had been deposed in centuries earlier. Bankrupt and without an empire, they join as an affiliate of the Atlantic Commonwealth. The modern Atlantic Commonwealth with its solid Norse heritage is one of the world's great powers. It consists of core members like the Scandinavian kingdoms and grand duchies (including Finland and Iceland), the Vinlandic Union, a union of colonies under the Emperor of Vinland, Scandinavia, and the North, and a few smaller African colonies and city-states around the world which share a common ruler, defense, and economic policy, and affiliate members who participate in some shared institutions. The core Atlantic Commonwealth has a population of 450 million and a GDP of over 30 trillion. It is perhaps the most prosperous state in the world and has global influence in numerous sectors.

Okay, I couldn't make Polynesia a true superpower compared to the behemoths of TTL, but they're far more powerful than that area OTL and an entirely indigenous polity. The former parts of the Mongol Empire (basically modern Russian Empire minus Poland, Alaska, and Finland/Karelia, Qajar Iran at their height, and Yuan China with Qing at their height's borders) are all superpowers, as is the Atlantic Commonwealth (most of the US/Canada plus Scandinavia, some Caribbean islands, and some Hong Kong-esque enclaves around the world).
 
William Shakespeares The Badness of King George
  • The fog dissipated earlier at Barnet so Montagu doesn't accidentally attack Oxford. The latter is instead sent to attack Gloucester from the side which he succeeds killing him. Clarence sounds a retreat with Edward IV follows suit but he's cut down by Warwicks troops. In London, Clarence quickly orders the death of Henry VI and gets the Queen and the one-year-old Edward V out of the city.
  • Margaret draws Clarence into battle at Aldershot. Warwick catches up but goes over to Clarence killing Edward and capturing Margaret. She later joins a nunnery.
  • The Woodfords instead feud with Clarence/Warwick instead of Richard. Elizabeth of York marries Warwicks nephew George for real this time. Anne Neville returned to her father who marries her off to Richard Woodville, Lord Rivers.
  • Edward V marries Margaret, daughter of James III (born instead of James IV). A surviving Nicholas of Lorraine marries Mary of Burgundy. Cecily of York marries future Charles VIII of France.
  • 1475: Clarence's wife dies and he eventually kills the Rivers family and makes Dowager Eilzabeth marry him.
  • Clarence eventually digs up the story of Edward IV being illegitimate. He then claims the crown as King George. This prompts James III to invade which he loses and is succeeded by his brother Alexander IV. Then Warwick and Buckingham rise up in support of Edward V. Mary of York is marries to an Staffords older-than-OTL son. George is defeated at the battle of Gainsborough. Henry Tudor returns and is given back his lands due to his mothers friendship with the Dowager Queen and he's married to Anne Neville. Clarence's children (Richard and Elizabeth) are allowed to stay at court and remain in the line of succession.
 
The Great Depression provides the best conditions for a socialist revolution to happen.
So, make the Depression even worse than it actually was, then? Maybe also add in a more excessive Gilded Age, featuring exorbitant divisions between the Average Joe toiling under their managers' whips and struggling just to put food on the table, as well as the ultra-rich robber barons who constitute the "top one percent" or whatever you want to call it?
 
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