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Put McCain and Kerry on a ticket together and you have two veterans running against the draft dodging chickenhawkes. That would kill Bush's whole argument though of course he'd still swiftboat both of them. A Dean-McCain ticket would be pretty great also.
 
Put McCain and Kerry on a ticket together and you have two veterans running against the draft dodging chickenhawkes. That would kill Bush's whole argument though of course he'd still swiftboat both of them. A Dean-McCain ticket would be pretty great also.

I have the ticket picked out already. Just wait till you see who it is. :D

Hell, I even have the electoral maps ready.
 
AMERICA WELCOMES THE YEAR 2004 WITH HOPE AND OPTIMISM.

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IOWA CAUCUS VERY CLOSE. THE DEAN-GEPHARDT WAR HAS TAKEN ITS TOLL. FORMER FRONTRUNNERS EXPERIENCE CHAOTIC DROP IN POLLS.

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KERRY, MCCAIN, AND EDWARDS IN A THREE-WAY BATTLE FOR THE LEAD.

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MCCAIN’S UP-CLOSE AND PERSONAL STYLE APPEALING TO A LARGE NUMBER OF VOTERS.

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WITH PRESIDENT BUSH AS THE ONLY CANDIDATE IN THE REPUBLICAN RACE, VICTORY IS ASSURED.

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DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES RUSH TO GET IN THE LAST WORD ON THE EVE OF THE IOWA CAUCUS.

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THE STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS HEADS OFF TO NEW HAMPSHIRE.

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VOTERS HEAD TO THE POLLS AS DEMOCRATS WAIT IN ANTICIPATION OF THE RESULTS.

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SENATOR JOHN KERRY PULLS OF SURPRISE WIN IN IOWA!


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At long last, the question of which candidate would win the Iowa Caucus was answered last night, as Massachusetts Senator John Kerry finished in first place. In his victory speech, Senator Kerry thanked his supporters and vowed to go on to win in the next contest in New Hampshire. If Senator Kerry can pull off a win there, the other candidates would be hard pressed to challenge him later on with the combined momentum of winning both contests.


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Coming in a surprisingly close second were Senators McCain and Edwards, who had tied with each other.

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Former frontrunner Howard Dean came in an astonishing third place in the poll. The negative campaign that he and Dick Gephardt were waging against each other apparently did not sit well with voters in Iowa or on the national stage for that matter. Dean delivered a concession speech where he said that they would fight harder in New Hampshire and give John Kerry a race worth remembering. The concession speech was also where Dean gave the famous scream that was mocked by a variety of sources later in the primary, and overall made him look ridiculous.

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Dick Gephardt came in fourth place, with an abysmal showing. The results in Iowa were so poor in fact, that Gephardt ended his campaign for the presidency, making him the first casualty of the 2004 primary season.

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After discovering their fate in Iowa, the candidates headed off to New Hampshire, where Kerry hoped to capture the state and the nomination, and where the other candidates hoped to breathe life into their faltering campaigns. Everything hinged on New Hampshire for the time being.

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2004 DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY

Blue- John Kerry

Purple- John McCain

Brown- John Edwards

Green- Howard Dean

Light Green- Joe Lieberman

Light Blue- Wesley Clark

Pink- Dennis Kucinich

Orange- Al Sharpton

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SENATOR MCCAIN RETURNS TO HIS OLD STOMPING GROUNDS. FINDS COMFORT AMONG THE VOTERS OF NEW HAMPSHIRE.

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The voters of New Hampshire, many of whom supported McCain back during his previous presidential campaign in 2000, came out in droves to the various town halls that the Senator held across the state. McCain would speak in private of how much he loved New Hampshire and how much a win here would mean to him personally. It’s understandable that he’d like the state so much, considering that it was one of his few victories back in 2000 against George Bush, as well as the place where his faltering 2000 campaign was given a new life and hope for victory. He hoped that the state would do the same for his 2004 bid.




CURRENT FRONTRUNNER JOHN KERRY PULLS OFF STRONG SHOWING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

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HOWARD DEAN STRUGGLES TO KEEP HIS CAMPAIGN ALIVE.

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POLLS SHOW FORMER GOVERNOR HULL MAKING HEADWAY IN ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. TEARS INTO PEARCE’S LEAD.

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CONGRESSMAN FRANKS FALLING BEHIND IN ARIZONA SENATE RACE.

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I think New Hampshire would vote for a fellow New Englander, that is John Kerry. That would be pretty bad for McCains presidential campaign.
 
NATIONAL POLLING SHOWS MCCAIN AND KERRY IN A CLOSE CONTEST IN MATCHUP WITH PRESIDENT BUSH.

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HOWARD DEAN CLAIMS RENEWED MOMENTUM AS HIS POLL NUMBERS STEADILY RISE.

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KERRY LEADING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE WITH MCCAIN AT A DISTANT SECOND.

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MCCAIN CONTINUES TO RIP INTO BUSH FOR HIS HANDLING OF THE WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

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REPUBLICANS BLAST DEMOCRATS FOR CRITICIZING PRESIDENT BUSH IN A TIME OF WAR.

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GAME CHANGER! JOHN MCCAIN PULLS OF SHOCKING SURPRISE WIN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE!

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The state of New Hampshire, which went for McCain during his bid for the Republican nomination in 2000, has once again gone for Mr. Straight-Talk as he continues his fight for the Democratic nomination in 2004. McCain’s win came as a shock to many despite the fact that he had been doing well in the polls. The general consensus amongst the talking heads at the time was that New Hampshire would vote for a fellow New Englander, which meant that John Kerry should have taken the state. This appears to have not been the case at all.

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McCain’s win was decisive, coming in a full five points ahead of his closest competitor, Senator John Kerry of neighboring Massachusetts. In his concession speech for the night, Senator Kerry downplayed his loss to McCain, claiming that his strong second place finish meant that he had momentum on his side, and that he’d win the remaining primary contests.

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In third place came Senator John Edwards, who finished close to Kerry, losing second place by only two points. Edwards said that the contest was far from over, and vowed to continue on into the primary season.

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For former frontrunner Howard Dean, his fourth place finish was damning. He had hoped that New Hampshire would be the place where he could pick himself back up after a crushing defeat by Kerry in Iowa, but this did not seem to be the case. With two losses in a row, and a low turnout of Dean voters in both major primary states, things looked bleak. Now, Dean looks to future states to revive his suddenly long-shot campaign.

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After depressingly low results in New Hampshire, where they both polled less than five percent, Al Sharpton and Joe Lieberman announced the end of their presidential campaigns. Both said that if they had just a few more votes, they would have continued.

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Wesley Clarke finished in fifth place behind Howard Dean. While Clarke was not discouraged by his showing, things did not look good for him as he trudged along out of the second state in the primary season.

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One thing that can be taken away from this is that the race for the Democratic nomination, which had just days before been seen as wrapped up for Senator Kerry, has found new life and is by no means over yet. The campaigns head for the trenches in what could possibly be a long and heavily contested primary match.

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his tendency to be liberally prone, and his friendship with quite a few democrats means that seeing him switch to their party isn't all that impossible if he were to ever leave the GOP. .

Since when has McCain been liberally prone. He was elected to Congress as a Goldwater Republican, he strongly supported the Iraq War, and opposes environmental and worker protections in trade agreements. McCain supported aid to the Contras. McCain also supports private Social Security accounts and abolishing the Federal Minimum Wage.
 
Since when has McCain been liberally prone. He was elected to Congress as a Goldwater Republican, he strongly supported the Iraq War, and opposes environmental and worker protections in trade agreements. McCain supported aid to the Contras. McCain also supports private Social Security accounts and abolishing the Federal Minimum Wage.

The McCain of 2000 is nearly an entirely different politician. Plus, ever since his move to the Democrats ATL, it has gotten better.

Take it how you will. It was just a phrase I used to reflect his "maverick" status.
 
The record of McCain as politically moderate, let alone liberal, can be summed up as proof of open dishonesty on the part of so-called journalists who spent years imagining a split in the GOP based on the fantasy that John McCain's wanting to be the nominee in 2000 was somehow considered proof of either an ideological split or moderation on McCain's part.


The plausibility of a right wing Republican somehow not only changing parties but having credibility in the Democratic primary after a few months is nil.
 
The record of McCain as politically moderate, let alone liberal, can be summed up as proof of open dishonesty on the part of so-called journalists who spent years imagining a split in the GOP based on the fantasy that John McCain's wanting to be the nominee in 2000 was somehow considered proof of either an ideological split or moderation on McCain's part.


The plausibility of a right wing Republican somehow not only changing parties but having credibility in the Democratic primary after a few months is nil.

Well, even if that is true (and I dispute the claims), I've gone too far to turn back now.
 
Maybe Nader will get more support from liberals since both the main presidential candidates will be pro war hawks, the only criticism McCain having of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq being how they are handled rather then whether they are justified or their justification.
 
I personally like the idea of a McCain/Gephart ticket. It would placate the liberal in the DEM party.

McCAin would be in the situation of John Connally (dem switched to GOP, ran for GOP nod in 80). He would not be trusted by the liberal wing of the party, but eventually he should be able to prove his worth as a moderate dem.

I have the belief that Bush in this TL is going to attack McCain's war record. I think that will turn out badly because unlike Kerry, McCain will will answer his attackers and show them whose boss.

Here's how I beleive McCain would respond to an attack on his war record.

"As a veteran of Vietnam, I am deeply offended by the president's attacks on my war record. After I was shot down, I was held by the enemy, and was subject to torture. I held firm in my belief that only by sticking together, would we POWs be able to survive our captivity. The president not only has attacked and slandered me, but he has also slandered every other war veteran in this country. Those who put their asses on the line to defend america deserve respect and honor for their defense of freedom. So Mr. President I call on you to apologise not only to me, but to all of the war veterans of america, because when you were given a chance to fight for your country, you chose to stand aside and not serve. Next time, Mr. President, you plan on attacking my war record, think about the fact that I served in vietnam, and you did not."

kevvy2010, you have permission to use my little paragraph up there if you want in your TL.

I think it would be a good rebuttal to an attack on McCain's war record.

When and if McCain becomes president he will have to deal with DADT, DOMA, gay marrige... Hopefully he will be able to remain the maverick that he claimed to be.

Wishing you well, his majesty,
The Scandinavian Emperor
 
I personally like the idea of a McCain/Gephart ticket. It would placate the liberal in the DEM party.

McCAin would be in the situation of John Connally (dem switched to GOP, ran for GOP nod in 80). He would not be trusted by the liberal wing of the party, but eventually he should be able to prove his worth as a moderate dem.

I have the belief that Bush in this TL is going to attack McCain's war record. I think that will turn out badly because unlike Kerry, McCain will will answer his attackers and show them whose boss.

Here's how I beleive McCain would respond to an attack on his war record.

"As a veteran of Vietnam, I am deeply offended by the president's attacks on my war record. After I was shot down, I was held by the enemy, and was subject to torture. I held firm in my belief that only by sticking together, would we POWs be able to survive our captivity. The president not only has attacked and slandered me, but he has also slandered every other war veteran in this country. Those who put their asses on the line to defend america deserve respect and honor for their defense of freedom. So Mr. President I call on you to apologise not only to me, but to all of the war veterans of america, because when you were given a chance to fight for your country, you chose to stand aside and not serve. Next time, Mr. President, you plan on attacking my war record, think about the fact that I served in vietnam, and you did not."

kevvy2010, you have permission to use my little paragraph up there if you want in your TL.

I think it would be a good rebuttal to an attack on McCain's war record.

When and if McCain becomes president he will have to deal with DADT, DOMA, gay marrige... Hopefully he will be able to remain the maverick that he claimed to be.

Wishing you well, his majesty,
The Scandinavian Emperor

That's a good paragraph. My only issue with it is whether or not Bush would either try to counter the claim by saying that he served his time in the air force like McCain did, spin it so that he tears down McCain's war veteran record and essentially calls him a liar, or counter by saying that by criticizing the president in wartime and the war in general, McCain has shown more disrespect for the troops than Bush ever did.
 
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