Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory: An American Civil War ATL

At the rate things are going, there're going to be so many "here's how I'd do it" comments from me that I might as well start writing my own version.

Except unlike last fall when I wrote "The Dragon and the Bear" (a reimagining of Hades' "The Draka and the Bear" TL), I've got a lot more on my plate.

However, I'd like Kairos to keep going. Who knows where this will lead?
 
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Except that Sardinia got everything promised except for Venetia and received Tuscany as a consolation prize, plus most of the Papal States and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies a few months later, which might make other nations hope for such treatment.

Incidentally Hanover would have some claim on parts of Westphalia, which would mean offending yet another German ally and possibly the British...:eek:



MP, obviously the problem is that your TLs are on your plate when they should be on a computer or word processer.;)
 
Except that Sardinia got everything promised except for Venetia and received Tuscany as a consolation prize, plus most of the Papal States and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies a few months later, which might make other nations hope for such treatment.

Incidentally Hanover would have some claim on parts of Westphalia, which would mean offending yet another German ally and possibly the British...:eek:

1. That was not because of France--the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was Garibaldi's doing. The French didn't force Sardinia to agree to restore deposed Central Italian rulers, but they didn't give the Sardinians those territories either.

2. We'd need to research who ruled Hanover at the time to see how politically astute they were.
 
Actually, with the exception of Tuscany, it was expected that the local rulers in central Italy would fall, as they nearly did 1848-49, and Napoleon III had agreed in advance that Sardinia could claim those territories.



On the use of privateers...the US is going to find them much less effective than in 1812 for several reasons:

1) Privateers need ports or friendly coasts and the US in 1862 has far less than it did in 1812.

2) They need ships and manpower and both will be less available because the US navy in 1862 is much larger than in 1812. At least for the moment.:(

3) They need friendly ports abroad to resupply, repair, do business and so forth and there won't be many ports willing to offend the Royal Navy on such matters. This also touches on the issue of privateers being out for profit and a lack of such profit will have an impact.

4) Additionally the Royal Navy will not be nearly as distracted as in 1812 and will likely further reduce the ports of the US by blockade or worse soon.



There is also one other issue which may trump all of the above. The Union in 1862 has tens of thousands of men assigned to the blockade, and even more if the landings at New Orleans took place. The blockade is doomed but the men and much of the equipment can be saved if removed in time. Lincoln's sensible move would be to evacuate all those men and as much equipment as possible as soon as possible. That will require all the shipping which can be mustered.
 

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Free Lancer, so you'll stop offering insults which are apparently the only thing you have to offer?:)[/QUOTE]

Insults? no just stating facts with some of my observations
 
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Extracted from The High Seas: The Naval Great War (Stefani Germanotta; published 2018)

In the face of vast British advantage on the high seas, Lincoln began a policy of evacuation of all men and material related to the blockade against the Confederacy in early 1862. Massive amounts of shipping were mustered in the rescue mission, while privateers were used to distract the British fleets, Lincoln knowing that the British could not be allowed to kill the tens of thousands of men assigned to the blockade. Knowing it was only a matter of time before the British sank the entire fleet, Lincoln mustered all the shipping he could in early March, and by late April, 17,000 sailors had been saved from the certain death that would have struck them if Lincoln.

Much equipment and war materiel was also rescued from destruction, frustrating the Royal Navy greatly. However, the Siege of Boston and one of the Union's darkest hours was yet to come.
 
What about the french navy?

Given that the second largest navy in the world was the French, how much of a massacre at sea is this going to be? As mentioned earlier, Union Privateers are going to be wiped out pretty quickly with no bases to use for resupply.

When do the Prussians run out of nitrates?
 
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