Military of a modern-day Nazi Germany

trajen777

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As to Military (i am assuming Goering or right center)
1. Herr -- based upon mechanized elite units with trained reserves (all males form 18 - 24 ) as a reserve.
2. Very strong air units / weak navy /
3. Heavy reliance on V 4 -10 with Nucs (Think MAD )
4. as stated above eastern military towns to keep down the population / occupied area. However i think as the German population increased you would have had major atrocities and transfer of "undesirables"
 
I cant see Himmler taking power. You need a more charismatic person to lead a far right wing. Dictators on the far right or left (Hitler - Stalin - Mao) were there by the power of the cult. Himmler would have went the way of Beria. If the SS / hard core Nazi would have stayed you need someone else. I think you would have seen more of a right center take over (Romell or a similar hero), or a right center coalition (Goering etc). Each generation would go further towards the center --
Himmler, while maybe not as charismatic as Hitler or Goebbles, had the loyalty of the SS. And you contradict yourself, because Stalin didn't derive his power from speeches or charisma, but from the russian/soviet state apparatus. Rommel does not have the political will to take over, neither do any of the prussian aristocracy as long as the SS survives.
Placing Nazism on the left-right dichotomy is wrong, as it takes parts from both left and right. It isnt called third position for nothing ya know?
"Hard core nazis" as some would say are far more flexible than one would assume.
I could see Rosenberg take power. Hess too, depending if he made his flight TTL.
 
When talking about the succession to Hitler in a surviving Nazi Reich the best bet is to look at the succession in other Totalitarian powers specifically after the deaths of Mao and Stalin, in both cases you got a division between radicals and moderates with the moderates winning and then one of the politicians in the moderate grouping (Khrushchev and Deng) eased out their fellows and became undisputed leader though neither ever achieved the dominance of their predecessor. So based on that precedent the odds for someone like Hess or Bormann to end up as Reichskanzler are fairly good imho.
 
When talking about the succession to Hitler in a surviving Nazi Reich the best bet is to look at the succession in other Totalitarian powers specifically after the deaths of Mao and Stalin, in both cases you got a division between radicals and moderates with the moderates winning and then one of the politicians in the moderate grouping (Khrushchev and Deng) eased out their fellows and became undisputed leader though neither ever achieved the dominance of their predecessor. So based on that precedent the odds for someone like Hess or Bormann to end up as Reichskanzler are fairly good imho.

I'm surprised Bormann doesn't get mentioned as a successor more often.
 
I wonder if a surviving Reich would continue to get volunteers from the West? A Panzergrenadier Division Friedrich Von Steuben anyone?
 
You think the Luftwaffe would let the Kreigsmarine have a monopoly on nuclear weapons?

I thought I'd just throw out the question. :)You're right, the Luftwaffe wanted control over everything. They might even want to operate SLBMs or even whole SSBNs... There would be a distinct need for those long-range bombers that OTL Germany never developed, particularly with the cold war with the rump Soviet Union. But nothing would stop post-war Germany from developing a B-52 competitor. IOTL, after a series of acquisitions, Messerschmitt, Junkers and Focke-Wulf still exist as Airbus/EADS. There'd be no problem developing big bombers that weren't Boeings, even without Arado (which was dissolved IOTL in 1945).

Where things get complicated isn't the bombers (they'd have to have bombers first) but the land based missiles. To appease everybody, the Luftwaffe, Heer and Waffen-SS would all need their own nuclear sticks. My guess is that the Luftwaffe controls any ICBMs, IRBMs and MRBMs and that the missiles (at least the medium/intermediate range ones) are rail- or road-mobile in Poland. The Old Reich is so populated that digging missile silos would raise the ire of the local Gauleiter, so let's say the mountainous Sudetenland or perhaps Silesia would be home to the ICBM force targeting the USA. Tactical missiles would be Heer/Waffen-SS weapons. The nuclear doctrine would evoke the "last man and the last bullet" doctrine of the war: some areas would be designated fortresses that would be defended by nuclear self-sacrifice if the need arose.
 
I thought I'd just throw out the question. :)You're right, the Luftwaffe wanted control over everything. They might even want to operate SLBMs or even whole SSBNs... There would be a distinct need for those long-range bombers that OTL Germany never developed, particularly with the cold war with the rump Soviet Union. But nothing would stop post-war Germany from developing a B-52 competitor. IOTL, after a series of acquisitions, Messerschmitt, Junkers and Focke-Wulf still exist as Airbus/EADS. There'd be no problem developing big bombers that weren't Boeings, even without Arado (which was dissolved IOTL in 1945).

Where things get complicated isn't the bombers (they'd have to have bombers first) but the land based missiles. To appease everybody, the Luftwaffe, Heer and Waffen-SS would all need their own nuclear sticks. My guess is that the Luftwaffe controls any ICBMs, IRBMs and MRBMs and that the missiles (at least the medium/intermediate range ones) are rail- or road-mobile in Poland. The Old Reich is so populated that digging missile silos would raise the ire of the local Gauleiter, so let's say the mountainous Sudetenland or perhaps Silesia would be home to the ICBM force targeting the USA. Tactical missiles would be Heer/Waffen-SS weapons. The nuclear doctrine would evoke the "last man and the last bullet" doctrine of the war: some areas would be designated fortresses that would be defended by nuclear self-sacrifice if the need arose.

It would be interesting to see Missile U-Boats owned by the Kreigsmarine but the missiles onboard owned by the Luftwaffe and the officer in charge of their launch a Luftwaffe officer.

I think German strategic bombers gravitating more in the direction of Mirage IV's or Backfires: high speed bombers designed to sprint towards the enemy and then loose standoff missiles.

I can see the Waffen-SS controlling tactical nuclear missiles and also I think ICBM's would probably be based further east.

Also if there's a surviving non-Nazi controlled Britain: road/rail mobile MRBM's or cruise missiles in central France. Possibly Southern Italy too (if they are friendly enough) to target Gibraltar, Malta, etc.
 
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I'm surprised Bormann doesn't get mentioned as a successor more often.

Or Speer, who never seems to come up at all.

It does depend a lot on when Der Fuhrer dies, given his family history he is unlikely to make it past his mid-sixties. Which means the succession is up for grabs some time around 1955, and let us remember that Nikita Khrushchev was considered to be number 10 on the totem pole after the death of Stalin.

Although his Maternal Great-Grandfather made it to 81. If Hitler lasts into the late 1960's, which is extremely unlikely given his general health and quack physician, his successor could be almost anyone.
 
What would the Kriegsmarine focus on? Would they focus on anti-carrier weaponry?

Starving off Britain and Iceland of supplies, preventing an amphibious invasion of the Reich or its allies, protecting its ballistic missile submarine bastions.

Probably very much like the Soviet Union with some big propaganda project ships thrown in.
 
Wouldn't the Kriegsmarine be there to threaten Britain? Since this is the Nazis, I think at least one or two nuclear battleships (up to stupidly huge size depending on who's in charge) could be in the works, unless they logically realise that carriers are better. And since they don't have to worry about the Turkish Straits, they can build better carriers than the Soviets did. It still would be there mainly for ballistic missile U-boats of course.
 
Wouldn't the Kriegsmarine be there to threaten Britain? Since this is the Nazis, I think at least one or two nuclear battleships (up to stupidly huge size depending on who's in charge) could be in the works, unless they logically realise that carriers are better. And since they don't have to worry about the Turkish Straits, they can build better carriers than the Soviets did. It still would be there mainly for ballistic missile U-boats of course.

Carriers aren't necessarily better if you have land-based air support. Carriers are force projection and sealane control tool. You don't necessarily need them for area denial.
 
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