Any thoughts on what the Chicago gangsters would be using instead - assuming they themselves (due to no 18th Amendment?) aren't somehow butterflied away.
Military capability of a victorious Kaiserreich
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Any thoughts on what the Chicago gangsters would be using instead - assuming they themselves (due to no 18th Amendment?) aren't somehow butterflied away.
[quoteNo 1918 Carrier attacks on the Zeppelin Yards, will sightly delay the Carrier development, for Political Reasons. [Battleship Admirals more entrenched] [/quote]
How about submarine (and anti-submarine) technology?
If the war lasts to late 1917, both sides, for different reasons, will be conscious of what an effective weapon the u-boat was, but the German side, in particular, will have noticed some flaws or limitations.
How about submarine (and anti-submarine) technology?
If the war lasts to late 1917, both sides, for different reasons, will be conscious of what an effective weapon the u-boat was, but the German side, in particular, will have noticed some flaws or limitations.
Blair is a troll. Dont expect him to post something that actually contributes.
You are the last person who can claim something is ASB. Just take a look at your treads.
This is assuming ITTL 1917. will look exactly the same as OTL 1917. WWI as a whole will be different then OTL WWI, so outwright assuming that no OTL innovations will arrive ITTL is rather dubious.
Plus, even a victorious WWI is not the kind of war that the Germans preferred fighting and hardly the type of war the Germans want to fight again.
I'm not sure. Instinct suggests that a ratio similar to Japan's at the OTL Treaty would be suggested - making it a 5:5:3:3 of USA, UK, Germany, Japan - though a slightly lower Japanese quota might then be required for the sake of German prestige, both the US and British Empire can argue that they require naval forces that are spread out, whereas Japan and Germany can concentrate their forces and thus require fewer ships to protect their interests.
This will be true even for a victorious Kaiserreich, as none of Germany's overseas interests will be on the scale of e.g. the Dominions, India or the Philippines.
If Germany pushes hard and gains say 5:5:4:3, then I would imagine Britain trying to use/create loopholes to push out more of the older heavy warships to the Dominions and insisting that they count separately, to allow for the maintenance of a Home Fleet powerful enough to protect properly against the Hochseeflotte.
Considering its on the losing side and makes actual gains at the peace table, Id say it definately benefited.
Eurofed
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You have forgotten Italy in your calculations. They are close allies of Germany ITTL, so they really have to be factored, and almost sure to ask a bigger quota than OTL 3:1. Hmm, perhaps a 5:5:3:3:2, or 5:5:4:3:3 for USA, UK, Germany, Japan, and Italy, depending on how hard the CPs bargain.
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What about aircraft? If the Germans see the Brits as their main enemy, they might intensify their millitary aircraft research. Since they most likely cant hit them substantialy on the seas due to the RN, bombers might become a top priority as a way of hurting Britain.
Interesting idea. Perhaps they work on specialised anti-naval bombers?
The side that Japan was on lost the war, but Japan herself didn't lose. I can see Japan easily keeping what she conquered during the war. The CP's don't have the power projection to challenge Japan in the Pacific.
Considering the wacky world of this treaty, I have this idea of the USA backing Japan in keeping the former German and Austrian-Hungarian territories. The US point of view may be that the Europeans are busy redividing the world again to their benefit. The USA, disgusted at the Europeans, may decide to overtly or covertly aid Japan against the CP's. I think it could happen.
The original US naval buildup program was abandoned when the US entered the war. I don't know how the naval aviation program was affected by the war, though I think that the USN's aviation program of the period is mostly downplayed. The USN was interested in land- and ship-based aircraft for scouting purposes. In this world, with so many large fleets remaining on the European side of the Atlantic, I think the USN will continue its aviation program, if not increase it.
That doesn't mean that the USA won't have a problem with what the Europeans are doing. For the USA, the South Americans, Japan, maybe even Australia, there may be an attitude of "not in your neighborhood, you don't!".
They will have a problem, but instead of being "disgusted" they will draw a line on the map and say "here is where you play with your maps and here is where we play with ours".
Besides, from the looks of things the CP-s have little to no interest in Pacific matters. There is still going to be some friction between the US and Japan.
Larrikin
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The Germans didn't rate tanks until way too late. If the war ends in 1917, they still don't rate tanks, so I can't see them either being developed by Germany beyond where they were, or banned under a treaty. As far as the Germans were concerned pre-Cambrai they were a pretty harmless waste of resources.
You only need to look at the piece of crap that they came up with in 1918, the A7V, and how few of them they built, to realise how poor their appreciation of the tank and its potential were.
You only need to look at the piece of crap that they came up with in 1918, the A7V, and how few of them they built, to realise how poor their appreciation of the tank and its potential were.
Given that the strategic position of the CP-s and the Entante is ITTL, I have to say Im rather skeptical that the war would be fought on an OTL schedule. France has a huge front, and the Entante powers might be compelled to experiment with the tank as a war-winner.
Could people please stop with the naval ratio stuff? The issue has a tread of its own.