Mexico vs The Confederate states.

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I've seen many, many timelines where the Confederacy survives and annexes parts of Mexico after beating in them in war.

But realistically, what would happen to the two should they decide to get into war? Could Mexico beat the Confederacy and take parts of their land?
 
It depends on the home situation. If Mexico is stable internally, and the CSA is plagued by armed revolts by slaves, abolitionists, and unionists, than Mexico could go so far as to capture New Orleans. If Mexico dissolved into civil war or banditry and the CSA effectively suppresses internal dissent, than the CSA can likely bit a chunk out of Mexico.

The other is issue is the USA. If Mexico does well, the US might decide to jump in and try a round two. If Mexico does poorly, the US might fear the CSA growing in power and launch an attack to relieve the beleaguered Mexican forces.
 
Well, if the US is backing Mexico against the Confederacy it could be different from France backing Mexico and it would definately be different from Mexico standing all alone.

Depending on the date that the Confederacy and Mexico go to war, it could be France helping the Confederacy attack Mexico.
 

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This scenario is heavily based on context. What kind of CSA and what kind of Mexico are we talking about here?
 
Depending on the date that the Confederacy and Mexico go to war, it could be France helping the Confederacy attack Mexico.


HOW? If Max is ruling Mexico then the France is definitely backing it and the CSA can consider itself very lucky if it survives the war as it is likely to be gang tackled by France, Mexico and the US. If Juarez is ruling then France doesn't give a damn. If there is still a civil war going on in Mexico than France backs Max and leaves the CSA out in the cold. There is nothing that the CSA can offer France.
 
HOW? If Max is ruling Mexico then the France is definitely backing it and the CSA can consider itself very lucky if it survives the war as it is likely to be gang tackled by France, Mexico and the US. If Juarez is ruling then France doesn't give a damn. If there is still a civil war going on in Mexico than France backs Max and leaves the CSA out in the cold. There is nothing that the CSA can offer France.

What happens if there's an anti-France leader of Mexico
 
Hmm, well wouldn't a "European Recognition" Scenario already involve France having good relations with CSA? So Britain-France backed CSA v. US backed Mexico?
 
Or Mexico being neatly split between two rival factions (if not balkanized), with the one side that France supports the most also being an ally of the CSA?
 
Or Mexico being neatly split between two rival factions (if not balkanized), with the one side that France supports the most also being an ally of the CSA?

The U.S.A. and a Juarez led Mexican Republic vs. the C.S.A. and a Maximilian led Mexican Empire, with Napoleon III providing logistical support and perhaps even troops. That's an ugly situation, right there.
 
Hmm, well wouldn't a "European Recognition" Scenario already involve France having good relations with CSA? So Britain-France backed CSA v. US backed Mexico?

Just because they have a good relationship with the CSA does NOT mean they will help the CSA with Mexico. If Max controls it France wants Mexico for itself. If Max doesn't control it what has the CSA to offer that would be worth the price of sending a single battalion to help them?
 
Or Mexico being neatly split between two rival factions (if not balkanized), with the one side that France supports the most also being an ally of the CSA?

Why? The French will want the side its backing for itself. What do they need the CSA for? The French aren't going to spend money or blood just to help the CSA! What is in it for THEM?
 
I've seen many, many timelines where the Confederacy survives and annexes parts of Mexico after beating in them in war.

This is also silly because it makes the giant assumption that the US wouldn't immediately ally with Mexico in order to stop Confederate expansion, which seems like by far the most likely scenario.
 
I'd say the most likely choice is a US-backed Mexican Republic that fights off the French invaders against a French-backed CSA. Mexico probably wins, since the CSA has almost no industry at all and the US is backing Mexico unless France wants to try again in Mexico.
 

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I'd say the most likely choice is a US-backed Mexican Republic that fights off the French invaders against a French-backed CSA. Mexico probably wins, since the CSA has almost no industry at all and the US is backing Mexico unless France wants to try again in Mexico.
Should Mexico beat the CSA in war, could they annex, say Texas again?
 
Should Mexico beat the CSA in war, could they annex, say Texas again?
Not likely. An independent Texas or one returned to America is much more feasible. However, should the Confederacy hold Arizona territory at the beginning of the war, the US might be more willing to let the Mexicans have that back, since it's not as valuable.
 
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