Mexican Balkanization and why are there so many federal territories that were small

Warsie

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I've seen threads on balkanizing Mexico by having the other northern rebellions successful during Santa Abbas reign or something similar. Anyone else have any other ideas like that timeline where northern Mexico becomes us member states.?

Also why are there cities as separate districts in Mexico other than the capital not attached to a state? Why have the smaller states not been melded together like those around Mexico city? Is it politics and gerrymandering?
 
I've seen threads on balkanizing Mexico by having the other northern rebellions successful during Santa Abbas reign or something similar. Anyone else have any other ideas like that timeline where northern Mexico becomes us member states.?

Also why are there cities as separate districts in Mexico other than the capital not attached to a state? Why have the smaller states not been melded together like those around Mexico city? Is it politics and gerrymandering?

Nahuatls and Maya could secede the only question is how could they secede from Mexico, but I think the whole of Mayan land can end up as a British protectorate.
 

Warsie

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The mayans almost won the caste war they went backmfrom surging the capital to plant food. Say they win that battle and the ruling class doesn't rejoin Mexico as they don't have a chance to due to being killed.
 
The mayans almost won the caste war they went backmfrom surging the capital to plant food. Say they win that battle and the ruling class doesn't rejoin Mexico as they don't have a chance to due to being killed.
They can ask help from the Brits and be annexed to Belize.
 
You could probably have Chiapas end up in Guatemala with an early 19th century POD. IIRC the State was briefly part of the United Provinces of Central America before being annexed by Mexico.
 
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Well you are asking two completely different things here.

Can you balkanize Mexico, by having the northern rebellions be more successful during Santa Anna's regime?

Yes, and no. The Rio Bravo Republic had no real intention of seceding from Mexico. They openly expressed it would be a temporary thing until Santa Anna was gone. However if they do manage to get their independence by fighting these changes are not easily reversed.

Yucatan (which is not the north) had a better chance of earning its independence. And technically it was independent for almost a decade. However in its short history Yucatan was never stable (it had two different governments one in Campeche one in Merdia) and it was plagued by the Caste Wars.

If the central government of Yucatan manages to get its act together, they might be able to control the Caste Wars (around the main cities) and you might end up with two republics. The Yucatan Republic (OTL's state of Yucatan and Campeche) and the Mayan Chan Santa Cruz Republic (OTL's state of Quitana Roo). The latter, however, is in danger of becoming a British puppet or fully annexed to British Honduras.

However, there would still be a core Mexico. Further balkanization is unlikely. There was the Republic of Sonora set up by Walker, but that was a complete failure. And its success is very very unlikely.

Your second question, Why are there so many tiny little states in Central Mexico?

Mostly due to the instability everywhere. They are not random; they were mostly created by the local caciques, governors, mayors, bishops, etc as power grabs.

This is a good wiki page if you want to see how the territory evolved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Mexico
 
They can ask help from the Brits and be annexed to Belize.
Eh, they asked for help from everyone and still nobody really came to their rescue. Except Mexico really. And by the time the Maya got to Merida it was pretty much over for the Yucatecos. If they attacked the Yucatecos would not have a chance. And an independent Yucatan would never have much of a chance, they signed their sovereignty away for a reason. There simply weren't enough white Yucatecos to fight the masses of Maya serfs rising against them and a lot of Mestizo also sided with the Maya.
 

Warsie

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Your second question, Why are there so many tiny little states in Central Mexico?

Mostly due to the instability everywhere. They are not random; they were mostly created by the local caciques, governors, mayors, bishops, etc as power grabs.

Okay. How would you consolidate those states then?


You could probably have Chiapas end up in Guatemala with an early 19th century POD. IIRC the State was briefly part of the United Provinces of South America before being annexed by Mexico.

Think you mean the Central American Republic?
 
Okay. How would you consolidate those states then?

Make a stabler Mexico. If you avoid the creation of Santa Anna's Seven Laws, which changed Mexico from a Federal Republic to Central one, Tlaxcala and Puebla remain together, as do Sinaloa and Sonora; Colima and Aguas Calientes are never created (one is part of Jalisco the other of Zacatecas), and after loosing Texas Coahuila would likely be annexed by Nuevo Leon.

Later on the states of Hidalgo and Morelos would never be created (easier if you change the capital of the State of Mexico to Pachuca rather than the centralist, next-to-Mexico-City Toluca).

The creation of Guerrero makes some sense since it is made up of the coast of Mexico State and Puebla. And that way you also avoid having Acapulco in the same state that sorrounds Mexico City.

Baja California could stay as a single state. Although this division technically makes some sense with Mexico's current border with the US. Northern Baja is a buffer to deal with the border, while Baja Sur (which remained quite unpopulated till recently) deals mostly tourists and fisheries.

Yucatan could remain united if it never seceded or got its shit together when it did. Once again the separation of Quitana Roo from the rest makes sense but you can keep Campeche and Yucatan together.

I think this covers all of them. Once again this need a stabler Mexico if you are trying to balkanize it just have the major cities/states expand their borders and annex the ones around them.

Likely you would see six states emerge more or less. Rio Bravo (centered in Monterey or Laredo), Jalisco (centered in Guadalajara), Puebla/Tlaxcala, Mexico proper (taking most of central Mexico), Yucatan (as a single state or divided into two), and depending how things go Sonora (by William Walker) and/or Oaxaca could be a likely sixth and seventh.

Think you mean the Central American Republic?

No, Chiapas was part of Guatelama from the beginning, with or without the Central American Republic. Mexico regained it in two different treaties (first San Cristobal then the Sonocusco Region) after the break up of the Central American Union.
 

Warsie

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And I can't find that detailed large map that dealt with a mexican balkanization on here. I was the one that was 100 years after mexico collapsed and it had the central ameican republic and sonora republic. anyone remember it?
 
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